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R.Wreck
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USA
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Posted - 11/04/2006 :  12:15:40  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message
Stephen Meyer, leading IDiot, recently appeared on two editions of the PBS show Think Tank.

Part 1 transcript

Part 2 transcript

Meyer claimed that ID Creationism is not religiously based:

quote:

WATTENBERG: But it's not just the bible. Every religion has this creation myth.
STEVE: Sure. But the theory of intelligent design is an inference from biological data, not a deduction from religious authority.


Bullshit!

I sent a letter to the show refuting this claim:

quote:

Mr. Wattenberg:

I found your recent shows regarding intelligent design to be very interesting. I was surprised, however, that Stephen Meyer was not challenged more strongly on the religious and cultural motivations behind intelligent design.

It is clear that ID is nowhere near scientific. It is neither testable nor falsifiable. It has done no research, and its hypothesis explains nothing (or it explains everything, which is just as useless). Michael Behe (a leading ID proponent) testified in the Dover trial that any definition of science which includes ID would necessarily include such nonsense as astrology.

The real issue with ID is that it is strictly religious in origin, as can be seen in the Discovery Institute's own words in The Wedge Strategy:

Link


Reading this document will show you how dishonest Dr. Meyer was when he claimed that ID is about science, not religion.

A few examples:

"The proposition that human beings are created in the image of God is one of the bedrock principles on which Western civilization was built. Its influence can be detected in most, if not all, of the West's greatest achievements, including representative democracy, human rights, free enterprise, and progress in the arts and sciences.
Yet a little over a century ago, this cardinal idea came under wholesale attack by intellectuals drawing on the discoveries of modern science. Debunking the traditional conceptions of both God and man, thinkers such as Charles Darwin, Karl Marx, and Sigmund Freud portrayed humans not as moral and spiritual beings, but as animals or machines who inhabited a universe ruled by purely impersonal forces and whose behavior and very thoughts were dictated by the unbending forces of biology, chemistry, and environment. This materialistic conception of reality eventually infected virtually every area of our culture, from politics and economics to literature and art

The cultural consequences of this triumph of materialism were devastating. Materialists denied the existence of objective moral standards, claiming that environment dictates our behavior and beliefs. Such moral relativism was uncritically adopted by much of the social sciences, and it still undergirds much of modern economics, political science, psychology and sociology."

and

"Discovery Institute's Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture seeks nothing less than the overthrow of materialism and its cultural legacies. Bringing together leading scholars from the natural sciences and those from the humanities and social sciences, the Center explores how new developments in biology, physics and cognitive science raise serious doubts about scientific materialism and have re-opened the case for a broadly theistic understanding of nature."

and

"Design theory promises to reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions."

"GOALS

Governing Goals

To

The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley

The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion

HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
15831 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2006 :  14:21:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
Very good letter, R.Wreck. Wattenberg was clearly totally unprepared for his guest. I charitably assume he'd failed to do his homework prior to the interview. It's entirely up to Wattenberg now. I'm sure Meyer could be induced to come back -- after all, he got away with unchallenged lies the first time. Being confronted with the Wedge Strategy would put him on the hot-seat for a change.




Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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