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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 11/07/2006 : 06:52:56
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Originally posted by Dave W.
I suppose you think so, Gorgo, but you're just blaming others for the games that you play (you can't even stop playing long enough to acknowledge that I'd explained what you said I'd refused to explain). And while we can all see that you're a very angry person, if anyone here understands why you're angry, they're not talking.
Dave, I do not have half a clue as to what you're talking about. You're like a fucking buzzing fly in my ear. Context schmontext. What exactly are you trying to do?
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2006 : 07:52:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
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The difference is his need to be insulting. My or your decision to be pissed off about something is irrelevant. This idea that "asshole" is part of a reasonable discussion is just over the top.
I think namecalling such as "asshole" and "idiot" and even things much more abrasive can be a part of reasonable discussion. It all depends on the context. That is why I have occasionally brought up, and here again bring up, Hunter S. Thompson's style of social criticism. Thompson is full of venom and extremely abrasive namecalling, but his unique rhetoric gets his points across in a way that would not be possible without his venom and colorful name/imagery. I love Thompson partially because he is a master of properly calling the right people "fuckers" and such in the right context.
Dude is not nearly the master Thompson is, but his namecalling does sometimes add to the conversation in a constructive manner. Sometimes it shuts a conversation down in a bad way. But for better or for worse, that is his style. Overall Dude is a great benefit to this forum, I'm glad he's around, and I enjoy much of what he has to say.
[quote]What was petty was for you to say that what I said about him was "totally a dodge" when you really had no idea what you were talking about, and it was him that was dodging (as well as calling people idiots and assholes).
Now you bring up stuff from another conversation. Ahem, but I did so know what I was talking about. You are also putting more cruel emphasis on my statements than was intended. You read venom into things when it isn't there. You take things personally that you shouldn't. How you respond to what people say is your responsibility. You are not innocent.
To sum up what I'm sayin', lighten up.
I'm sure Dude has a great deal of literary style. I actually have taken nothing personally, I'm just trying to find out what all the hostility is about.
Overall, Dude may be a great benefit to this forum. However, in any discussions I've been a part of, he has seemed hostile and insulting. I assumed, like GeeMack, it was because he didn't understand what I was saying. So, I attempted to work with him. He continued to be hostile and insulting.
As someone said, I love everyone, but some people, like my ex-wife, I need to love from a distance. Dude appears to be one of them. That's not a crime. I'm condemning no one, nor am I, as Dave W. thinks, treating them especially passive-aggressively. I am an angry person, as is Dave, and everyone else I know, but I try to understand that it is my anger, and not confuse myself into thinking that someone else is an asshole because of it.
I do not understand poetry. I do not understand you. I do not understand Dude. I do not understand Dave. That doesn't make any of those things bad. Except poetry. I do try to understand all, but there comes a time when beating my head against the wall about it makes no sense either. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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| Edited by - Gorgo on 11/07/2006 07:54:55 |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2006 : 09:49:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
Context schmontext.
And therein lies the problem. Context is vital to understanding, Gorgo, when words have more than one meaning. If I use the word 'lead', what do I mean? If I'm talking about chemistry, I'm probably refering to an element. If I'm talking about a race, I'm probably refering to the person who was winning. Ignoring the context creates confusion.
So, you spent pages using the word 'criminal' amongst your talk of crimes and international law, so in that context, 'criminal' seemed to be refering to someone who has committed a crime. When other people used 'criminal' in that fashion, you didn't correct them, but instead suggested that they were misunderstanding you. And then, you suddenly wrote a post in which you correctly said that 'criminal' has more than one meaning, and doesn't always refer to someone who has committed a crime.
So then I asked you to clarify your meaning. I wanted to know if your previous uses of the word 'criminal' meant "someone who has committed a crime" or not. Your quoting of the dictionary in response didn't answer my question, all you did was reinforce the fact that 'criminal' has more than one meaning.
So, what I was trying to do - and unbelievably still trying to do - is find out what you meant by the word 'criminal' in that other thread, if it was not "someone who has committed a crime."
How you can still "not have half a clue" after I've explained this same thing multiple times in multiple ways across three threads now is beyond me. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2006 : 10:16:50 [Permalink]
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If context is important, then show me the sentence that you wish me to clarify. I think I used the term in a way that should be clear to all. The only time I took the time to explain that the word 'criminal' has another meaning, was to explain my agreement with the WRL, which said that war is a crime against humanity. Some of them think that sometimes war may be necessary, but it still does great damage and should be avoided if at all possible, thus, not necessarily a violation of any existing laws, but still a crime against humanity.
Otherwise, and I could be wrong, I used it in a way that would encompass every meaning. That is, Bush is a criminal because he violated the law, but he also has committed a "crime against humanity" if you will. Again, unless you give me a specific use that you think was unclear, I can't help you.
I think I keep repeating myself here, so if that doesn't explain it, maybe I just can't. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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| Edited by - Gorgo on 11/07/2006 10:22:02 |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2006 : 11:40:25 [Permalink]
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| Well, there's the clarification I've been asking for. I don't know why you think you're repeating yourself, since you've never posted the above before so far as I can tell. Thank you, Gorgo. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2006 : 11:57:02 [Permalink]
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| Thank you for your patience, and sorry to make a bigger deal out of it than what it seems to be worth, and sorry if I sounded insulting about it at all. Chalk it up to my inability to understand. It all seemed like we were speaking different languages. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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