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@tomic
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 Posted - 01/25/2002 : 20:02:11 [Permalink]
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At least the way I define it.
I do too. While it would be nice if we could do whatever we want there are often unforseen results. This doesn't just apply to wildlife. Sometimes construction one place causes hillsides in another place to slide. We live too close together and our actions can affect others. Wildlife is also a concern and something we share. Property rights are important but that is hardly the whole story.
To me, people that put their property rights above all else are selfish, stupid and short sighted. There is also such a thing as shared property.
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 01/25/2002 : 21:42:57 [Permalink]
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Let's change that to 'anti-environmentalist'.
I'll buy that! 
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Tim
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Posted - 01/26/2002 : 04:32:20 [Permalink]
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Wow, I'm really sorry that I was late for this little slice of arrogant ignorance in the great northwest. Anyway, I think Garrette answered the question of constitutionality perfectly. The only way this Bill could survive a court challenge is if they stacked the court with the author's family and friends, and they felt sorry for the poor shmuck.
There is one thing that would be interesting, though. If a bill like this would pass into law, would the courts have to rule on whose creator would have to be recognized before teaching "evil-ution" could be made unconstitutional? Afterall, the intent of the Bill of Rights was to protect a minority, wasn't it?
"The Constitution ..., is a marvelous document for self-government by Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society." |
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Tim
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Posted - 01/26/2002 : 04:34:57 [Permalink]
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Sorry, the signature quote is Pat Robertson's from the 700 Club. I thought it might be related to the subject.
"The Constitution ..., is a marvelous document for self-government by Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society." |
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@tomic
Administrator
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Posted - 01/26/2002 : 06:11:27 [Permalink]
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I almost hate to say this but Washington State, years ago when pat Robertson Ran for President, was the only state to send it's delegates to the electoral college for pat. But we had a stupid system at the time that allowed a candidate to steal it but bussing party members to Caucases. I think, but don't promise, that that was fixed after that emarrassment.
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Snake
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Posted - 01/27/2002 : 02:18:50 [Permalink]
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Wildlife is also a concern and something we share. Property rights are important but that is hardly the whole story.
To me, people that put their property rights above all else are selfish, stupid and short sighted. There is also such a thing as shared property.
@tomic
Don't think this has anything to do with the original link about that guy in Washington but:
Just a week or so ago in the news here in California there was a story about the property owner off the beach in Malibu not wanting to let the public past 'their' property to get to the ocean. THE OCEAN which belongs to the people of the state. This is an issue that has to do with a 'right of way' claus that they want to block. Now we have to wait and see if the rich home owners can fight the government to keep the public away from 'their' backyards.
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Piltdown
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 01/28/2002 : 12:46:00 [Permalink]
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Hochstatter is a candidate for the Republican gubernatorial nomination in Washington. This quote from from his official webpage really jumped out at me.
http://www.src.wa.gov/news/pr/2001/hochstattered051501.htm
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The players are God and man on one side, the courts and the parties on the other. God's side is clothed in brilliant light; the courts wear black robes, black hats, and steel spurs. God endows with life and liberty; the courts stop little kids from praying. They deal abortion in things natal and judicial.
Washingtonians are going to lose our blanket primary. God didn't say so, the courts did. In my district, the middle of the state, 68% of the people agree with me and God. We like our blanket primary. We can't contrive anything better.
This is really extreme even for a religious right insider. I wouldn't stoop to picking on the Senator's Germanic name, but I really have to wonder about his background. He is fond of quoting Goethe, it appears. In another article, he repeats an urban myth about Russian soldiers in Berlin at the end of World War 2. They supposedly stole light bulbs, and were dumbfounded to learn that these would not work without wiring and suitable sources of electric current. Russian troops may well have stolen light bulbs, but even the most backward Ivans would have been exposed to electric lights during their army service. They could not have helped but notice that these won't work just anywhere. Even if they hadn't, some of their more sophisticated comrades would quickly have "enlightened" them. This specific myth, it happens, is very common among European right-wingers, including neo-nazis.
Abducting UFOs and conspiring against conspiracy theorists since 1980.
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Randy
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 02/28/2002 : 20:32:48 [Permalink]
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I think Mr. Dingleberry is trying to pull a carbon copy in his state of Washington with what was tried in Alabama a few years ago. [/quote]
I really need to move. Anyone from San Diego? How's the weather there?
 
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DVF
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USA
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Posted - 03/01/2002 : 08:52:47 [Permalink]
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I really need to move.
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Sure, run for civilization ya pansy. Not me. I'm going to stay right here in the deep south until I run out of people to offend. I'd organize a freethought rally, but me and the other 2 mississippi atheists have conflicting schedules.
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Kaneda Kuonji
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 03/01/2002 : 11:38:31 [Permalink]
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Actually, there is a case in the Louisiana Supreme court that might prove promising. I'll have to hunt it down, but I'll provide it when I find it.
Shoot, the law itself is unconstitutional by a Supreme Court decision rendered in 1987. It conflicts with the separation of church and state!
Rodney Dean, CI Order of the Knights of Jubal
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