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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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chaloobi
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 Posted - 01/05/2007 : 13:30:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Chippewa
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Originally posted by chaloobi
[quote]...4. Supporting crazy political agendas, like the Iraq war...
This is the main reason why fundies are cultivated and encouraged as one of Bush's political bases as well as within the Bush administration. Rove early-on realized that these groups could be used for votes.
The larger point is that this fundamentalism is not a religion but part of a political movement. Its average citizen believers aren't savvy enough to grasp that. They are deluded in their religious legends and beliefs and manipulated by inane appeals to pseudo-patriotism to support policies which, behind the scenes, are actually motivated to bring wealth or profits to Bush and his corporate supporters and oil cronies (including his Saudi masters). All at the expense of many diverse things ranging from Bush appointees editing and negating NASA science papers on environmental issues to Bush ignoramuses administering Baghdad without any knowledge of Islamic factions, and Bush forgetting about Ben Laden while ignoring young soldiers lives in Iraq.
Albeit much milder (for the moment), it sounds like the same tactics the Islamic Extremists use to get people to blow themselves up in support of some political agenda. |
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chaloobi
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Posted - 01/05/2007 : 13:35:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
This poll a few years ago says that 2/3 believe in Satan.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/cretinism.htm
Which is crazier? Belief in Satan or Belief that Jesus will be back in 2007? People believe this shit because they LOVE it and WANT very badly for it to be true. Why???
Side note - my Catholic highschool religion educators taught that Satan did not exist and seemed to suggest that this was standard Church teaching. Hell was not a supernatural, eternal torture chamber with Satan in charge. It's merely the denial of access to God for all eternity. Or something like that. |
-Chaloobi
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2007 : 21:45:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
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I see the same when someone dies and christians are sad. ...why christians get upset about abortion (after all, all those little souls are going straight to heaven, which is a far better place (so I've been told))....
Here's my new pro-choice argument I have formed out of this insight.
If God needs these kids to live a life on Earth for whatever reason, [God always has those infamous reasons we can't know about], surely we are incapable of thwarting God's plans.
The aborted 'children' go to heaven.
Where's the harm here?
Of course the comeback will still be it's a sin. So it needs some work.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/05/2007 : 21:49:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
... Hell was not a supernatural, eternal torture chamber with Satan in charge. It's merely the denial of access to God for all eternity. Or something like that.
I've heard this position from a few folks.
So I ask, do all atheists look like tortured souls? Because they meet the definition of being in hell in this case.
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chaloobi
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Posted - 01/06/2007 : 18:04:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
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Originally posted by chaloobi
... Hell was not a supernatural, eternal torture chamber with Satan in charge. It's merely the denial of access to God for all eternity. Or something like that.
I've heard this position from a few folks.
So I ask, do all atheists look like tortured souls? Because they meet the definition of being in hell in this case.
I don't know for sure, but I think the idea is that an atheist learns upon his death that God really IS real and is all loving, all beautiful, all compassionate (or whatever), and the pain, regret, longing (or whatever) of being separated from that for all eternity is really bad. Eternal fire and brimstone is entirely unnecessary, not to mention completely incompatible with an all-loving, all-compassionate God. |
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