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Marc_a_b
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 02/25/2002 : 14:34:18
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Anouncement from the AU, the supreme court has rulled against the display of the 10 commandments, even when disguised with other 'historic' documents.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
 Posted - 02/25/2002 : 14:59:12 [Permalink]
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A welcome ray of light.
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"Don't tell me your doubts; I've got enough doubts of my own. Tell me something you BELIEVE in!"
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Randy
SFN Regular
USA
1990 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2002 : 16:33:54 [Permalink]
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Fantastic! I've been spreading this good news around.
Here, on the Texas state capital grounds is a granite monument with the ten condiments engraved on it. Hope to see it drop-kicked out to oblivion someday soon, but doubt it will happen soon. Our governor has seen fit to spit on our country's separation of church and state. He insists on making school prayer THE major gubernatorial campaign issue inspite of health issues, educational issues, unemployment issues, pollution, etc. The guy is just grandstanding.
Randy
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Marc_a_b
Skeptic Friend
USA
142 Posts |
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Archistrategos
New Member
28 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2002 : 21:02:06 [Permalink]
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Yea! Solon rules! Number 7 is great, is my #1 choice.
And that cool announcement, it was about time!
Feels good, not everything is lost.
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2002 : 21:23:14 [Permalink]
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From what I hear, this is still very much up in the air. Don't get too excited.
Lisa
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2002 : 07:01:05 [Permalink]
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I read in the local paper this morning that the SCOTUS is not going to take any of the pending 10 Commandments cases. Enough facts, I think this court is a bunch of chicken shits in this case, save for John Paul Stevens apparently. They are acting like the state statutes already cover this stuff, which they don't (except Florida, Kentucky and a couple others), or like there's already plenty of case law, which there isn't. Alabama, which has some statutory limitations already in place, can't even keep Roy Moore from dragging 5000 lb monuments into the courthouse in the middle of the night. This is a complete debacle already and it's only going to get worse.
Laws of Thermodynamics:
1. You cannot win.
2. You cannot break even.
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2002 : 16:51:23 [Permalink]
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Am I wrong in thinking that the SCOTUS has just refused to look at these cases? Doesn't that mean they are in essence saying "You States figure it out amongst yourselves."
What would the SCOTUS use to judge these cases anyway? The 1st Amendment only applies to Congress, not the states, right? What rule of law could they envoke to tell the states what they can and can't display in regards to these matters?
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2002 : 22:19:10 [Permalink]
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quote:
Am I wrong in thinking that the SCOTUS has just refused to look at these cases? Doesn't that mean they are in essence saying "You States figure it out amongst yourselves."
No, you're quite right.
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What would the SCOTUS use to judge these cases anyway? The 1st Amendment only applies to Congress, not the states, right? What rule of law could they envoke to tell the states what they can and can't display in regards to these matters?
Actually, the 14th Amendment has been used in the past to ensure that the priveleges outlined in the Bill of Rights cannot be usurped by the states. I don't see anything wrong with using it in this case.
I simply cannot find merit in the arguments that:
1) The 10 Commandments are some kind of secular, pervasive, life-affirming strictures.
2) Our statutory/constitutional law is based on the 10 Commandments above any other existing 'legal system.'
Folks, this should be a no-freaking-brainer. Johnnie Cochran couldn't win this one if OJ Simpson and Al Cowlings were on the Court.
Laws of Thermodynamics:
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2002 : 07:58:40 [Permalink]
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Folks, this should be a no-freaking-brainer.
Definitely. "Thou shalt have no other god before me" has no place in a government building, and certainly has nothing to do with our laws. How anyone can argue otherwise is mindboggling.
I was just curious as to what the actual laws and rulings would/could be used in this case. And curious as to why the SCOTUS refusing to see the case should be considered good news.
So a possible ruling could say that hanging the 10 Commandments violates the 14th Amendment, because the 14th can be said to make the 1st Amendment apply to the States, in addition to Congress?
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2002 : 08:10:23 [Permalink]
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Thinking about it, a celebration might be a little permature. No desision puts the question back exactly where it was to start with, no loss, no gain.
It would have been a tough one and I think the Court did indeed wuss out.
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"Don't tell me your doubts; I've got enough doubts of my own. Tell me something you BELIEVE in!"
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2002 : 13:40:14 [Permalink]
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So a possible ruling could say that hanging the 10 Commandments violates the 14th Amendment, because the 14th can be said to make the 1st Amendment apply to the States, in addition to Congress?
Technically, the 14th Amendment guarantees equal protection under federal law that cannot be undermined by state statutes. As you might expect, lots of cases invoke the 14th in spirit, if not in writ. Two of the more famous are Plessy v. Ferguson and Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka.
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