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dhuxley
New Member
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2002 : 09:06:38
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From this NY Times Article
March 17, 2002
Darwinian Struggle in Ohio Creationists have gotten a lot of bad publicity since the Scopes trial brought the fight over teaching evolution into sharp relief in 1925. Nearly two years ago, Kansas voters threw out conservative members of the state Board of Education who had pushed through new science standards that eliminated biological evolution as an explanation of the emergence of one species from another. The nation has, over the years, come to wide agreement that public school science classes should teach science, not religion. But creationists have not given up. Now in Ohio, another batch of conservative board members is taking a different approach -- one that would leave evolution in the curriculum but insert the teaching of alternative explanations as well, particularly a theory known as "intelligent design."
Ohio's struggle over evolution grew out of a valuable attempt to develop new standards for what students need to learn from kindergarten through 12th grade. Groups of educators, scientists and others drafted science standards that reflected evolution's central place in biology. But when the standards came before the curriculum subcommittee of the state board, several members urged a rewrite that would present evolution as "an assumption" and include intelligent design as an alternative scientific explanation. By one newspaper's count, almost a third of the entire board wants Ohio students exposed to the intelligent-design idea.
To sidestep court decisions against teaching creationism in the public schools, adherents of intelligent design carefully shun any mention of God in their proposals. They simply argue that humans, animals and plants are far too diverse and complex to be explained by evolution and natural selection, so there must have been an intelligent designer behind it all. Whether that designer is God, an advanced civilization from another world or some other creative force is not specified.
But that is a disingenuous attempt to mask the true goal here, which many adherents acknowledge is to open the students' minds to the possibility of a divine creator, rather than leaving them with the soulless processes of evolution. Advocates of intelligent design claim that it is a scientific theory, not a religious concept, but they do not publish in the standard scientific literature and their work is not recognized by the leading scientific organizations.
Teaching students the mysteries of the universe letting them wrap their minds around unresolved questions is a good way to get them interested in science. But no theory that answers those questions by invoking the supernatural deserves a place in a public school science curriculum.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2002 : 11:59:46 [Permalink]
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quote: They simply argue that humans, animals and plants are far too diverse and complex to be explained by evolution and natural selection, so there must have been an intelligent designer behind it all. Whether that designer is God, an advanced civilization from another world or some other creative force is not specified.
quote: Advocates of intelligent design claim that it is a scientific theory, not a religious concept, but they do not publish in the standard scientific literature and their work is not recognized by the leading scientific organizations.
So, where is the theory in all of this? If they feel that life is irreducibly complex, it seems to me that the burden is on them to test that hypothesis in order for it to be anything more then speculative. If every speculation about the nature of life was forced into the science classroom, there would be no distinction between metaphysics and science. At the very least, if they think they are on to something, it's time for them to offer falsifiable (in the realm of what can be tested) and repeatable evidence to support their hypothesis. Until they do that, intelligent design fails, by every measure we use, to demonstrate that it is a science at all.
To put it another way, screw them...
The Evil Skeptic
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous. |
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James
SFN Regular
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2002 : 12:56:23 [Permalink]
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quote: They simply argue that humans, animals and plants are far too diverse and complex to be explained by evolution and natural selection, so there must have been an intelligent designer behind it all.
Here's an arguement I use on other boards when told that life is too complex to have happened "accidentely": Given enough time, shit happens.
quote: To put it another way, screw them...
LOL
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Donnie B.
Skeptic Friend
417 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2002 : 13:49:13 [Permalink]
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The whole Intelligent Design position is an Argument from Incredulity: "I can't imagine how evolution could have produced such-and-such; therefore, some unspecified intelligent agent must have produced it deliberately."
I just want to slap them. "Well, if you can't figure it out, you dimwit, either go out and do some actual science and figure it out, or find a job you're more suited to!"
-- Donnie B.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2002 : 14:27:03 [Permalink]
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The sad thing is, those people will never listen because they are either incapable of understanding or just unwilling to do the work.
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law! |
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Lars_H
SFN Regular
Germany
630 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2002 : 17:07:51 [Permalink]
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quote:
The whole Intelligent Design position is an Argument from Incredulity: "I can't imagine how evolution could have produced such-and-such; therefore, some unspecified intelligent agent must have produced it deliberately."
I just want to slap them. "Well, if you can't figure it out, you dimwit, either go out and do some actual science and figure it out, or find a job you're more suited to!"
-- Donnie B.
Brian: "No, no! You have to think for yourselves!" Crowd: "Yes! We have to think for ourselves!"
Well, it is not so much an "I can't figure it out" and more of an "I don't want to figure it, you should not try to either, everyone who already has is a liar and I don't want to listen to you explaining it to me either."
But I have to agree with them when I look at nature I often find stuff that certainly looks designed. If I were an sadistic bastard I could not have come up with a more horrible way to implement such perversities.
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Donnie B.
Skeptic Friend
417 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2002 : 19:00:31 [Permalink]
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Careful there, Lars. After all, the ID people are careful not to say who their Designer is. It could be God, or aliens, or a vast supercomputer. Or... Satan, in the case of the naughty bits.
Let's not give them any more ammunition, eh?
-- Donnie B.
Brian: "No, no! You have to think for yourselves!" Crowd: "Yes! We have to think for ourselves!" |
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