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JohnOAS
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 Posted - 06/17/2007 : 00:56:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Dave, everyone has seems to be run off by my incredible skill of presenting indisputable evidence.
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Yeah, and when people don't take this guy seriously:
I'm sure he thinks along similar lines.
I see your false dichotomy and raise you a straw man!
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John's just this guy, you know. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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 Posted - 06/17/2007 : 06:23:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Dave, everyone has seems to be run off by my incredible skill of presenting indisputable evidence. |
I think we've run off because your best argument seems to be that regardless of the evidence, you're right because only you have managed to avoid the Soviet brainwashing. It makes for dull discussion, and I have better things to do, comrade. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 06:40:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JohnOAS
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Dave, everyone has seems to be run off by my incredible skill of presenting indisputable evidence.
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Yeah, and when people don't take this guy seriously:
I'm sure he thinks along similar lines.
I see your false dichotomy and raise you a straw man!
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Who is this guy?
I find it amusing that data presented is not disputed only the conclusion based on said data is ignored as no argument can be found against, outside of it can not be true because you are (insert insult).
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 06:51:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
I find it amusing that data presented is not disputed only the conclusion based on said data is ignored as no argument can be found against, outside of it can not be true because you are (insert insult). |
You're just trying to rewrite history again. Your interpretation of the data has clearly been disputed, both with and without irrelevant insults that you think are relevant. |
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Why not question something for a change?
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 06:56:40 [Permalink]
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No, Dave no one has disputed that the Fed caused the depression, no one disputed that the 1907 panic was intended. Only crickets and insults.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 08:08:58 [Permalink]
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| If you're simply going to deny the fact that someone did dispute your idea that the Fed caused the Depression - without insults, even - then we're definitely done here. You may have considered it to have been an unsuccessful challenge, but it was a challenge nonetheless. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 08:17:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
If you're simply going to deny the fact that someone did dispute your idea that the Fed caused the Depression - without insults, even - then we're definitely done here. You may have considered it to have been an unsuccessful challenge, but it was a challenge nonetheless.
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Just reread these posts and no one disputed that the depression was caused by the Fed; and no one disputed that the 1907 panic was intentional.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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furshur
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 11:23:42 [Permalink]
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| Just reread these posts and no one disputed that the depression was caused by the Fed |
OK, then I will dispute it again and I won't even insult you. It is really not known what caused the great depresison. There are many different camps and alot of debate on what the cause was. You seem to hold the Monetarists view, which feels that poor policies by the Fed were the primary cause of the great depression. This is one theory among many.
You are presenting this like a fact when it is only one view point. The monetarists view is not a consensus view, it is only one of many theories. Therefore, it is incorrect to declare as fact that the Fed caused the great depression. You can say that in your opinion the Fed caused the depression.
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If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 12:15:55 [Permalink]
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Milton Friedman: 1976, Friedman won the "Nobel Prize in Economics" "for his achievements in the fields of consumption analysis, monetary history and theory and for his demonstration of the complexity of stabilization policy." (Wiki)
"I think there is universal agreement within the economics profession that the decline - the sharp decline in the quantity of money played a very major role in producing the Great Depression."
http://www.pbs.org/fmc/interviews/friedman.htm
Furshur, it seems as if the Nobel Prize winner in economics states that there is universal agreement within economics of fact that the depression was caused by the Fed.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 15:49:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Milton Friedman: 1976, Friedman won the "Nobel Prize in Economics" "for his achievements in the fields of consumption analysis, monetary history and theory and for his demonstration of the complexity of stabilization policy." (Wiki)
"I think there is universal agreement within the economics profession that the decline - the sharp decline in the quantity of money played a very major role in producing the Great Depression."
http://www.pbs.org/fmc/interviews/friedman.htm
Furshur, it seems as if the Nobel Prize winner in economics states that there is universal agreement within economics of fact that the depression was caused by the Fed. |
This is old news. I talked about it already here. Feel free to move the goalposts to claim that you're right, though. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 06/17/2007 : 18:41:54 [Permalink]
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Cune are you honestly claiming that a high school text provides better evidence than a Nobel Prize winner. You have gone mad!
See what I mean about not accepting obviously valid information; on a subject that you readily admit you know little about no less, if that information bucks your preconceived notion.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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furshur
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 19:26:07 [Permalink]
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| Milton Friedman: 1976, Friedman won the "Nobel Prize in Economics" "for his achievements in the fields of consumption analysis, monetary history and theory and for his demonstration of the complexity of stabilization policy." |
Great, I can trot out a nobel prize winning economist that will disagree with this that assessment.
But what is the point; 75% of what you say is pure horse shit that has no evidence to back it up. Do you really beleive that the Fed is this great evil or are you just arguing for the fun of it. Don't know, don't care and not worth the effort to determine if you are trolling again on this one.
I'll use your tactic of arguing.
I don't believe Friedman said that. I think he was misquoted by the press due to the communist brainwashing they received.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 19:37:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
| Milton Friedman: 1976, Friedman won the "Nobel Prize in Economics" "for his achievements in the fields of consumption analysis, monetary history and theory and for his demonstration of the complexity of stabilization policy." |
Great, I can trot out a nobel prize winning economist that will disagree with this that assessment.
But what is the point; 75% of what you say is pure horse shit that has no evidence to back it up. Do you really beleive that the Fed is this great evil or are you just arguing for the fun of it. Don't know, don't care and not worth the effort to determine if you are trolling again on this one.
I'll use your tactic of arguing.
I don't believe Friedman said that. I think he was misquoted by the press due to the communist brainwashing they received.
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I have insulted you before but you did not understand the insult.
Silly ignorant child.
 two plus two is five
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 19:38:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Cune are you honestly claiming that a high school text provides better evidence than a Nobel Prize winner. You have gone mad!
See what I mean about not accepting obviously valid information; on a subject that you readily admit you know little about no less, if that information bucks your preconceived notion.
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Go to hell Jerome. Note that Friedman didn't say that the Fed caused the depression. You're falsely extrapolating in order to further your delusional "conspiracy." Moreover, you have in the past cited a document that, when shown that it disproved the very thing you were trying to say, you later recanted to say that the document is biased. You're nothing but a sniveling delusional paranoid hypocrite. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 19:50:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Cune are you honestly claiming that a high school text provides better evidence than a Nobel Prize winner. You have gone mad!
See what I mean about not accepting obviously valid information; on a subject that you readily admit you know little about no less, if that information bucks your preconceived notion.
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Go to hell Jerome. Note that Friedman didn't say that the Fed caused the depression. You're falsely extrapolating in order to further your delusional "conspiracy." Moreover, you have in the past cited a document that, when shown that it disproved the very thing you were trying to say, you later recanted to say that the document is biased. You're nothing but a sniveling delusional paranoid hypocrite.
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Silly child in a world of boys.
He said there was universal agreement in the economic community that the depression was caused by the Fed.
You are making things up about me to make yourself feel better about learning of your own lack of thinking ability. Cheers.
Here is another quote of Freidman from the same link you failed to review.
"And, indeed, in my opinion would have been over in 1931 at the latest had it not been that the Federal Reserve followed a policy which led to bank failures, widespread bank failures, and led to a reduction in the quantity of money."
http://www.pbs.org/fmc/interviews/friedman.htm
Silly child in a world of boys, what will you ever do in the real world?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Federal Reserve Act in 1913
