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Dave W.
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 Posted - 06/09/2008 : 13:05:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by MuhammedGoldstein
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Then what, precisely, did you mean by asking me, "so?" twice?| distractions like asking you for support for your claims ? |
I have done so. It is you who refuse to move on and discuss whatever it is you're here to discuss.| We know I didn't say the first. We know I didn't say the second. |
Pronoun trouble: I have no idea what "first" and "second" you're talking about.| So where is it that you think I said it, so I may respond ? |
Pronoun trouble again: what, exactly, do you mean by the word "it?"| why are you so hush about it ? |
Well, now I don't know what "it" is.
But why are you so quiet when asked to support your claim that Cuneiformist made a claim? |
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 06/09/2008 : 13:14:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Hey, Cune: does it say anything in those 13 minutes about hair cuts being phenotypic? |
No, Dave. I kept waiting for something, but it just didn't happen. |
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MuhammedGoldstein
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Posted - 06/09/2008 : 13:17:28 [Permalink]
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just because the same response can be made for almost any claim, doesn't make it meaningless, either. Another non sequitor. |
| Not "almost" any claim, any claim. It is trivially true that just because I've never seen a chrome swan, that doesn't mean that there aren't any, but so what? |
You see, when you ask "so what"? I understand that I should supply some information, perhaps. Pragmatically speaking, a chrome swan may be a "so what" for you, understood.
We can't be on the lookout for all kinds of things which we don't have time for.
Now.
Once we get into humans and medicine, we may see about "so what".
the "so what" is that pragmatism here is used when we see that in the area of medicine, we can see that epigenetics , taking into account the total load of everything, can offer learning opportunities, and so we do not discard everything Dave might think is meaningless, for some types of experiments.
Even though the portions may be called insignificant by some or by all, none of them are insignificant yet; we don't know which ones are and which ones aren't. so the rest of your post is done with.
You always assume a priori knowledge and intend to use it. funny guy.
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It does mention phenotype, just without using the word "phenotype."... DAVEW |
| Edited by - MuhammedGoldstein on 06/09/2008 13:22:51 |
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Ricky
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/09/2008 : 13:22:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by MuhammedGoldstein
You see, when you ask "so what"? i understand that I should supply some information, perhaps. Pragmatically sopeaking, a chrome swan may be a "so what" for you, understood. |
Wow, you really don't get it, do you? The "so what?" doesn't refer to the chrome swans (which would be really cool), it refers to the "doesn't mean there aren't any." Massive grammar error you've made, there.| the "what" is that pragmatism here is takes over in the case ans once we see that in the area of medicine, we can see that epigenetics , taking into account the total load of everything, can offer learning opportunities. |
Unsupported claim.| Even though the portions may be called insignificant by some or by all. |
Unsupported claim.| None of them are insignificant yet; |
Unsupported claim.| we don't know which ones are and which ones aren't. |
Unsupported claim.| So the rest of your post is done with. |
Ah, I see now: miss the point, and then use the fact that you've missed the point to disguise the fact that you cannot support your claims.| You always assume a priori knowledge and intend to use it. |
Unsupported claim.I'll be here all week, don't forget to tip your waitress. |
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MuhammedGoldstein
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Posted - 06/09/2008 : 13:27:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by Ricky
| Entirely environmental sources of observable features on animals are not phenotypic. |
please show support for that. show a good site, stating exactly that, or as close as you can find. |
Wikipedia:
| The phenotype is composed of traits or characteristics. Some phenotypes are controlled entirely by the individual's genes. Others are controlled by genes but are significantly affected by extragenetic or environmental factors. |
The interaction between genotype and phenotype has often been conceptualized by the following relationship:
genotype + environment = phenotype |
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Perhaps a third time and Muhammed might notice it.
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you refused to even support your own claim, so I wait for Ricky to offer what he thinks is reasonable.
I'm sure it will be a big deal if you ever do show support for your claim. I'll know it happened. thanks. pass the Caramilk.
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It does mention phenotype, just without using the word "phenotype."... DAVEW |
| Edited by - MuhammedGoldstein on 06/09/2008 13:42:15 |
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MuhammedGoldstein
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Posted - 06/09/2008 : 13:37:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Britannica:
| observable characteristics of an organism, such as shape, size, colour, and behaviour, that result from the interaction of its genotype (total genetic inheritance) with the environment. The common type of a group of physically similar organisms is sometimes also known as the phenotype. |
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Thank You Ricky.
Now, when they say that the "common type" of a group....is also known as a phenotype...does this support part of the view that Simon presented ?
That there are innumerable phenotypes possible for a single specimen, of which we may pick some to study, as well as there being a phenotype for the group. Not just one phenotype, even for a single animal.
Is that somewhat like your view at all ?
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It does mention phenotype, just without using the word "phenotype."... DAVEW |
| Edited by - MuhammedGoldstein on 06/09/2008 13:43:40 |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/09/2008 : 14:21:51 [Permalink]
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Awesome! This piece is quite good at showing that epigenetics are a part of a creature's phenotype. (I had to watch. The more I see of Tyson the more I like him.)
[Edited link for layout... //Dr. Mabuse] |
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| Edited by - Dr. Mabuse on 06/10/2008 15:47:37 |
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MuhammedGoldstein
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Posted - 06/09/2008 : 14:24:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
you refused to even support your own claim, so I wait for Ricki to offer what he thinks is reasonable.
I'm sure it will be a big deal if you ever do show support for your claim. I'll know it happened. thanks. pass the Caramilk. |
Well now you're really pissing me off. You don't even care about what is or isn't, you just want to sit around and play games with Dave? Forgive me for being so naive to think that you actually cared about a topic you've been rambling on for 8 pages now.
I'm done wasting my time on this thread.
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don't know what got up your skirt / bye. |
It does mention phenotype, just without using the word "phenotype."... DAVEW |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/09/2008 : 14:25:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by MuhammedGoldstein
you refused to even support your own claim, so I wait for Ricky to offer what he thinks is reasonable. |
Aside from Ricky, who is this "you" person you are addressing, and to which claim are you referring, MuhammedGoldstein?
And what about your own claims that you refuse to support? |
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MuhammedGoldstein
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Posted - 06/09/2008 : 14:27:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Awesome! This piece is quite good at showing that epigenetics are a part of a creature's phenotype. (I had to watch. The more I see of Tyson the more I like him.)
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sorry I did not comment on it so that you all would be warned.
You should have taken Cune's excellent advice. :)waste of time.
[Edited to shorten link for layout. //Dr. Mabuse] |
It does mention phenotype, just without using the word "phenotype."... DAVEW |
| Edited by - Dr. Mabuse on 06/10/2008 15:59:38 |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/09/2008 : 14:28:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by MuhammedGoldstein
don't know what got up your skirt |
That's funny, Ricky explained quite well what pissed him off. It's obvious you don't care enough to actually read the posts or to use nouns where pronouns are confusing. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/09/2008 : 14:30:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by MuhammedGoldstein
You should have taken Cune's excellent advice. :)waste of time. |
Not at all. It was the most enjoyable 13 minutes of my day so far. Ate some actual popcorn while watching it, even. Waaaay cool stuff. The implications are pretty interesting. |
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