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| Really, I am disappointed with what you have done here. Its pathetic! Espically the similie face! Show me an equation please! Otherwise you are just talking waffle. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/16/2008 : 20:10:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by no1nose
Really, I am disappointed with what you have done here. Its pathetic! Espically the similie face! Show me an equation please! Otherwise you are just talking waffle. |
This, coming from a person who refuses to support his assertions?
It's quid pro quo time. Show me...- ...a culturally based epistemology that works as well as science for learning about our world.
- ...evidence that had some other culture come up with evolution, it would somehow be different.
- ...that the theory of evolution lacks a mathematical foundation.
- ...that the theory of evolution cannot be empirically verified.
- ...that "many words have been written about the differences between evolution and Christianity."
- ...your probability calculation for determining that the alleged parallels between evolution and Christianity are not coincidence.
- ...that people who can only think "linearly" could ever come up with an equation including an r2 term.
- ...that the space between electron shells in an atom is "forever empty."
- ...that past history is a good indicator of the future of evolutionary theory.
- ...that part of your motivation for posting here is to test your own beliefs in an open forum.
- ...that "Evolution is simply an idea in some people's minds and not the reality of the natural world."
- ...that biological extinction is an apt parallel with Christianity's Hell.
- ...that evolutionary theory "is a nothing more than a world view."
- ...that you "have raised the question of where Darwin got his ideas as a serious issue."
- ...that you "have shown the clear parallels between Christian and Evolutionary scenarios."
- ...that defending evolution means one defends Christianity.
- ...that if everyone became like Jesus there would be no death or sickness or war.
- ...that evolution "is about the survival of the fittest."
- ...that "many social evils follow naturally from the theory of evolution core ideas."
- ...that "Evolution is presented as a complete description of nature."
- ...that "Darwin just filled in the gaps with a bit of twisted christianity."
- ...that you are "making some valid points."
Show me those things - things you've already asserted and that you've failed to support - and then I'll show you an equation. |
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no1nose
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Posted - 06/16/2008 : 20:14:45 [Permalink]
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| This, coming from a person who refuses to support his assertions? |
You've made a list!!! Equations please. There aren't any are there? |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/16/2008 : 20:24:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by no1nose
You've made a list!!! Equations please. There aren't any are there? |
There are tons of them. If you really want to play this game, all I can do is remind you that it's your turn. |
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no1nose
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 Posted - 06/16/2008 : 21:29:08 [Permalink]
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Throw some out baby! 
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Hawks
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Posted - 06/16/2008 : 21:53:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by no1nose
Throw some out baby!
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/16/2008 : 22:00:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by no1nose
Throw some out baby! |
Just waiting on you to take your proper turn. If you refuse to believe that mathematics support modern evolutionary theory without seeing an equation, then I'll simply refuse to believe anything you've already said and not supported yourself. Where will that get us? Nowhere, thus proving that you're neither serious nor honest.
So, if you really want to play that game, you should get on with supporting the bald assertions you were challenged on long before you first asked to see an equation. Git a move on, little man, and at least give us a good-faith gesture. Then you'll get your equation, which I've got ready and waiting (well, I'm about to sleep, so perhaps tomorrow morning). |
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Posted - 06/16/2008 : 22:24:11 [Permalink]
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Why not question something for a change?
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tomk80
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Posted - 06/17/2008 : 01:55:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by no1nose
| This, coming from a person who refuses to support his assertions? |
You've made a list!!! Equations please. There aren't any are there?
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I can't give you equations. I can give you the methods used. For example in cladistics the backbone is formed maximum parsimony and maximum likelihood algorithms. These, especially maximum likelihood, are general statistical methods also in use in most other sciences. If you want to know the equations behind those, you can go look 'em up.
edited to add: sorry Dave, couldn't help myself. |
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`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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no1nose
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Posted - 06/17/2008 : 02:17:50 [Permalink]
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| I can't give you equations. I can give you the methods used. For example in cladistics the backbone is formed maximum parsimony and maximum likelihood algorithms. |
Finally there you have it!!! And even in the above I can't see how this is dependent on the Theory of Evolution itself. Maybe you can make the links for me. But it looks to me that these algorithms would fit in many other theories of life.
Also fail to understand the logic of saying that evolution is correct because I don't back up my assertions or something like that. I realize that some of you may have some personal investment in the Theory of Evolution and I understand if it were suddenly shown to be wrong that you would look the fool. But maybe it is time to move on. Winston Churchill said that he found eating his own words a nourishing diet. It would be really refreshing if you guys would be a little less dogmatic and open minded. |
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Posted - 06/17/2008 : 03:22:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by no1nose
| I can't give you equations. I can give you the methods used. For example in cladistics the backbone is formed maximum parsimony and maximum likelihood algorithms. |
Finally there you have it!!! And even in the above I can't see how this is dependent on the Theory of Evolution itself. Maybe you can make the links for me. But it looks to me that these algorithms would fit in many other theories of life.
Also fail to understand the logic of saying that evolution is correct because I don't back up my assertions or something like that. I realize that some of you may have some personal investment in the Theory of Evolution and I understand if it were suddenly shown to be wrong that you would look the fool. But maybe it is time to move on. Winston Churchill said that he found eating his own words a nourishing diet. It would be really refreshing if you guys would be a little less dogmatic and open minded.
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Maybe you can get off your shiftless, creationist ass and do your own research. As far as I, or anyone, can tell, you have yet to open any link you have been given including the most recent of of mine.
And that's typical, really. Creationists, having nothing but hyperbole based upon myth seldom do. They fear what they might find, and with reason.
I just love the bolded sentence -- can you see why? Have another smiley: 
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tomk80
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Posted - 06/17/2008 : 04:06:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by no1nose
| I can't give you equations. I can give you the methods used. For example in cladistics the backbone is formed maximum parsimony and maximum likelihood algorithms. |
Finally there you have it!!! |
Finally? It took less then one page, and that because people are getting sick of your hypocritical demands for support while, after 8 pages, you have yet to support or correct the very first post you made on this thread. Why are creationists like you so dishonest on this? Do you get a kick out of portraying your own group as hypocrites?
| And even in the above I can't see how this is dependent on the Theory of Evolution itself. Maybe you can make the links for me. But it looks to me that these algorithms would fit in many other theories of life. |
It isn't dependent on the theory of evolution, it is used to support it. I use maximum likelihood to find the models best underlying the relation between noise and annoyance or sleep disturbance. This doesn't mean that the mathematics depends on these relationships to be correct, only that we can show that mathematically, these relationships exist. Mathematics is never dependent on a theory, mathematics only supports theories.
| Also fail to understand the logic of saying that evolution is correct because I don't back up my assertions or something like that. |
Nobody is saying that. People are saying that you haven't shown evolution to be incorrect, despite your many claims to the contrary. People have criticized all your claims and are asking you to back them up with something more substantial than you have now.
I realize that some of you may have some personal investment in the Theory of Evolution and I understand if it were suddenly shown to be wrong that you would look the fool. But maybe it is time to move on. Winston Churchill said that he found eating his own words a nourishing diet. It would be really refreshing if you guys would be a little less dogmatic and open minded.
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You keep claiming it is time to move on, without having done the work of demonstrating that it is actually incorrect. Isn't it time for you to do that? Now? |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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tomk80
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Posted - 06/17/2008 : 04:08:04 [Permalink]
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Just in case no1nose forgets it, these are the claims that he has yet to support.
Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by no1nose
Really, I am disappointed with what you have done here. Its pathetic! Espically the similie face! Show me an equation please! Otherwise you are just talking waffle. |
This, coming from a person who refuses to support his assertions?
It's quid pro quo time. Show me...- ...a culturally based epistemology that works as well as science for learning about our world.
- ...evidence that had some other culture come up with evolution, it would somehow be different.
- ...that the theory of evolution lacks a mathematical foundation.
- ...that the theory of evolution cannot be empirically verified.
- ...that "many words have been written about the differences between evolution and Christianity."
- ...your probability calculation for determining that the alleged parallels between evolution and Christianity are not coincidence.
- ...that people who can only think "linearly" could ever come up with an equation including an r2 term.
- ...that the space between electron shells in an atom is "forever empty."
- ...that past history is a good indicator of the future of evolutionary theory.
- ...that part of your motivation for posting here is to test your own beliefs in an open forum.
- ...that "Evolution is simply an idea in some people's minds and not the reality of the natural world."
- ...that biological extinction is an apt parallel with Christianity's Hell.
- ...that evolutionary theory "is a nothing more than a world view."
- ...that you "have raised the question of where Darwin got his ideas as a serious issue."
- ...that you "have shown the clear parallels between Christian and Evolutionary scenarios."
- ...that defending evolution means one defends Christianity.
- ...that if everyone became like Jesus there would be no death or sickness or war.
- ...that evolution "is about the survival of the fittest."
- ...that "many social evils follow naturally from the theory of evolution core ideas."
- ...that "Evolution is presented as a complete description of nature."
- ...that "Darwin just filled in the gaps with a bit of twisted christianity."
- ...that you are "making some valid points."
Show me those things - things you've already asserted and that you've failed to support - and then I'll show you an equation.
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`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 06/17/2008 : 05:45:18 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by no1noseThe fact that the evolutionary secenario parallels so closily the Christian one casts doubt on the idea that mankind has actually found a way to describe the natural world objectively. |
You keep saying this, but it's completely unfounded. Indeed, we've been asking for you to offer more support for this idea, and as of yet, you've provided nothing. |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/17/2008 : 06:09:34 [Permalink]
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| Just give it up guys, NN doesnt want to play, he's just here to take pleasure in pissing you off. Yet another example of why the ToE will never be shot down by the theists. Nose you are lame beyond measure, go away please. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Darwin’s debt to Christianity
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