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the_ignored
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 Posted - 06/12/2008 : 04:14:25
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PZ Myers first posted this anti-science sh*t:
Should Evolutionists Be Allowed to Vote?
- They do not and can not know the purpose for Man. In
fact, all of them believe Man has no purpose.
- Therefore, they cannot make informed judgments about
how men should behave toward each other, or what would
be "good" or "bad" for any group of men to do, or not do.
- Thus, they have no sane foundation upon which to base
#8220;laws#8221; or rational for insisting that other men obey the
laws.
- Thus, the religion they profess to believe renders them incapable
of participating in any decision about what men ought
to do. But, that is the purpose of all law.
- Therefore, in a sane society, evolutionists should not be allowed
to vote, or influence laws or people in any way!
They should, perhaps, make bricks to earn enough to eat.
Q.E.D. - Quod Erat Demonstrandum |
Earlier on, he uses this reasoning:
Evolutionism was/is the apologetic foundation for the faith of
predatory capitalism, Germany in WWI, the USSR (from 1918 to
this day), NAZI Germany, Fascism in other European countries,
and Socialism in all of Eastern Europe beginning about 1945. It
was also a major justification in the defense of slavery in the
1800's against Christian opponents. In those nations evolutionist,
anti-Christian, anti-creationists killed more people, from the late
1800's to today, than all the wars combined for the last 2000 years.
Evolution formed the apologetic framework for justifying the
harshest of cruelties during this period as well. |
Never mind the xian roots of anti-semitism, this guy doesn't seem to care that in the 20th century there were a lot more people, and a lot more efficient weapons. If the dark ages had that, I'd wager that numerically, the religions rate of killings would be higher.
Notice how they never take those factors into account?
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
2998 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2008 : 04:30:54 [Permalink]
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| If they did account for those factors (in this and other aspects of their lives), then they wouldn't be fundie apologists. |
by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 06/12/2008 : 14:01:34 [Permalink]
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The thing that absolutely kills me about the "atheists cannot have morals since they believe morality is subjective," (which is really the same argument as the above "[evolutionists] have no sane foundation upon which to base laws), is that theists somehow think their belief in god exempts them from this. But if god doesn't exist, then the morals of those who believe he does would be just as subjective as everyone else. It's like they're saying "If atheists are right, then my morals would be subjective too. I refuse to admit this, since I believe my morals are god-given, therefore I must be right."
Similarly, if evolution is true and it means there can be no sane foundation for laws, then that would apply whether one believes evolution is true or not. Willis seems to think you can change reality if you find its implications sufficiently uncomfortable.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2008 : 03:16:52 [Permalink]
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If these bastards ever try to take away my vote, they better know how to dodge buckshot. And I'm deadly serious about that.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
 Posted - 06/13/2008 : 04:44:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
If these bastards ever try to take away my vote, they better know how to dodge buckshot. And I'm deadly serious about that.
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Yes indeed.
To carry the matter to it's maybe-conclusion, let's disenfranchise all Bible literalists. After all, the OT version of God was a bloody-minded, utterly insane scumbag that came up with some of the most ridiculous 'laws' ever brought into being. And then we can go for the IDists, who continually attempt to subvert education with outright lies. In fact, anyone professing any sort of fundamentalist religion should be made to stay home on Election Day. There. See how it works; goose & gander, eh?
My .12 bore too, is loaded.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
1888 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2008 : 05:14:56 [Permalink]
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| When I read this I was reminded of a line from Erin Brockovich. "Tom Willis, you shouldn't use words that you don't understand." |
Life is good
Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2008 : 07:19:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Originally posted by HalfMooner
If these bastards ever try to take away my vote, they better know how to dodge buckshot. And I'm deadly serious about that.
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Yes indeed.
To carry the matter to it's maybe-conclusion, let's disenfranchise all Bible literalists. After all, the OT version of God was a bloody-minded, utterly insane scumbag that came up with some of the most ridiculous 'laws' ever brought into being. And then we can go for the IDists, who continually attempt to subvert education with outright lies. In fact, anyone professing any sort of fundamentalist religion should be made to stay home on Election Day. There. See how it works; goose & gander, eh?
My .12 bore too, is loaded.
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I think I would just sic Michelle on them. What a bloodbath that would be... |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
Genetic Literacy Project |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2008 : 07:37:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Originally posted by filthy
Originally posted by HalfMooner
If these bastards ever try to take away my vote, they better know how to dodge buckshot. And I'm deadly serious about that.
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Yes indeed.
To carry the matter to it's maybe-conclusion, let's disenfranchise all Bible literalists. After all, the OT version of God was a bloody-minded, utterly insane scumbag that came up with some of the most ridiculous 'laws' ever brought into being. And then we can go for the IDists, who continually attempt to subvert education with outright lies. In fact, anyone professing any sort of fundamentalist religion should be made to stay home on Election Day. There. See how it works; goose & gander, eh?
My .12 bore too, is loaded.
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I think I would just sic Michelle on them. What a bloodbath that would be...
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Erm, who's Michelle? Yours or Obama's? Both seem to be impressive ladies and would make a good tag-team.
I am a life member of long standing in the UMF of America, an organization dedicated to repealing the 19th Amendment. Unfortunatly, study showed this to be a daunting task, so, daunted, we cooked a pig and drank some beer. What the hell, taken all in, the chicks are smarter'n we are, anyway.
(UMF#704)
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2008 : 07:42:28 [Permalink]
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filthy:
Erm, who's Michelle? Yours or Obama's? Both seem to be impressive ladies and would make a good tag-team. |
I was thinking about the woman who is still sleeping in the next room. Not Obama's. But you're right. The Michelle defense (or offense) might be the way to go. Gather up a few Michelle's and just stand back!!!
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
Genetic Literacy Project |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2008 : 08:09:14 [Permalink]
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Kil.....
I just went into my studio and retouched my portrait of you! (The one in the Dorian Grey frame!) |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2008 : 08:15:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Kil.....
I just went into my studio and retouched my portrait of you! (The one in the Dorian Grey frame!)
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
Genetic Literacy Project |
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Zebra
Skeptic Friend
USA
354 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2008 : 09:30:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by the_ignored
PZ Myers first posted this anti-science sh*t:
Should Evolutionists Be Allowed to Vote?
[list]
Therefore, they cannot make informed judgments about
how men should behave toward each other, or what would
be "good" or "bad" for any group of men to do, or not do.
Thus, they have no sane foundation upon which to base
#8220;laws#8221; or rational for insisting that other men obey the
laws.
Thus, the religion they profess to believe renders them incapable
of participating in any decision about what men ought
to do. But, that is the purpose of all law. |
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The really ironic aspect to this is that strong theistic belief which includes the belief that your god has handed down morality from above is inconsistent with the idea that people would be making decisions about proper behavior. The decisions have already been made & passed down on stone tablets or some such. Those laws are "all law", end of story; no voting, no democratic process, no discussion, no rational thought needed (or accepted).
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I think, you know, freedom means freedom for everyone* -Dick Cheney
*some restrictions may apply |
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Pray to hell that this is a satire!
