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Chippewa
SFN Regular
USA
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 Posted - 08/01/2008 : 11:23:08
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A friend sent me this. Might be of interest to some. Its a paper on national debt increases for Republican vs. Democratic presidents and I'm not familiar with the source:
http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm
The 2002 debt tax was eighteen cents out of every federal tax dollar. This is the amount required to pay the interest on the existing national debt, and pays nothing toward principal. It is now about twenty cents out of every federal tax dollar and as interest rates increase will only get more onerous.
The gist is that since 1946, Democratic presidents increased the national debt an average of only 3.2% per year. Republican presidents stay at an average increase of 9.7% per year. Therefore Republican presidents out borrowed and spent Democratic presidents by a three to one ratio. For every dollar a Democratic administration has raised the national debt in the past 59 years Republican administrations have raised the debt by $2.99.
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Diversity, independence, innovation and imagination are progressive concepts ultimately alien to the conservative mind.
"TAX AND SPEND" IS GOOD! (TAX: Wealthy corporations who won't go poor even after taxes. SPEND: On public works programs, education, the environment, improvements.) |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2008 : 11:39:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Chippewa
A friend sent me this. Might be of interest to some. Its a paper on national debt increases for Republican vs. Democratic presidents and I'm not familiar with the source:
http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm
The 2002 debt tax was eighteen cents out of every federal tax dollar. This is the amount required to pay the interest on the existing national debt, and pays nothing toward principal. It is now about twenty cents out of every federal tax dollar and as interest rates increase will only get more onerous.
The gist is that since 1946, Democratic presidents increased the national debt an average of only 3.2% per year. Republican presidents stay at an average increase of 9.7% per year. Therefore Republican presidents out borrowed and spent Democratic presidents by a three to one ratio. For every dollar a Democratic administration has raised the national debt in the past 59 years Republican administrations have raised the debt by $2.99.
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Ah yes, those big government, tax & spend Democrats! 
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
385 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2008 : 22:47:01 [Permalink]
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| Fascinating, I knew Clinton had reduced your debt, but I didn't know it was by that much. And certainly I wasn't aware just how irresponsible GW Bush was. He practically turned it all around and almost intentionally created more debt? Why would he do that? And how dare the conservatives accuse the liberals of irresponsible spending when it's the other way around? Why did people vote for Bush not only once but twice? Were they tired of Clinton's economic policies? Did people yearn for more debt? What's really going on over there? |
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2008 : 23:18:56 [Permalink]
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Just the second or third biggest reason out of dozens of big reasons that Cheney/Bush is the foulest, most corrupt, most criminal, most destructive, greedy, rapacious and fucking evil administration that this poor country has ever endured!!| Why did people vote for Bush not only once but twice? Were they tired of Clinton's economic policies? Did people yearn for more debt? What's really going on over there? |
Maverick, the 2000 election was hijacked, Gore was elected and the Republican-packed Supreme Court took it away from him! The 2004 election result was due to two factors:
1. The fucking Democrats had not yet learned not to bring a knife to a gunfight! Or a Swiftboat to a Battleship confrontation!
2. Karl Rove successfully manipulated the largely ignorant-as-a-dog-turd Fundamentalists, Mormons, Catholics, and other authoritarian religious moron groups to vote for Bush because he was a fucking Christian whelped-again who opposed abortion, the very existence of Gays, and other trivialities that have absolutely nothing to do with why a candidate should receive your vote!
What's really going on over here is that a razor-thin majority (or minority) of our electorate is stupid as hell! Or at least has been in the past! They are called by many names, the kindest of which is Conservatives or Republicans! |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2008 : 05:16:40 [Permalink]
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As far as governance is concerned, the Republicans have nothing but the idiotic Reagan policies that promoted oligarchy and little more, and Bush(s) has enhanced them to their logical conclusion: a failed government and a country in a degree of fiscal disarray which will not be alleviated in the lifetimes of any & all here, if ever.
I do not envy the next president, whichever candidate wins. If McCain, he will find himself with no means of making improvements due to that very oligarchy that is his main support, and if Obama, he will find himself with a clean-up job that would make the Aegean Stables gig a mere swab-down by the comparison.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2008 : 06:06:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
What's really going on over here is that a razor-thin majority (or minority) of our electorate is stupid as hell! Or at least has been in the past! They are called by many names, the kindest of which is Conservatives or Republicans!
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You're forgetting the half that didn't even bother to vote. They are obviously not interested in living in a Democracy.
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
385 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2008 : 08:08:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Maverick, the 2000 election was hijacked, Gore was elected and the Republican-packed Supreme Court took it away from him! The 2004 election result was due to two factors: |
He did have the popular vote, didn't he? I'm not that familiar with your system, I'm afraid...
1. The fucking Democrats had not yet learned not to bring a knife to a gunfight! Or a Swiftboat to a Battleship confrontation!
2. Karl Rove successfully manipulated the largely ignorant-as-a-dog-turd Fundamentalists, Mormons, Catholics, and other authoritarian religious moron groups to vote for Bush because he was a fucking Christian whelped-again who opposed abortion, the very existence of Gays, and other trivialities that have absolutely nothing to do with why a candidate should receive your vote! |
That's what worries me, not only with elections over there but anywhere; that people are caught up in minor issues or even non-issues. And even when we deal with important things, we tend to forget other big and important things. I'm not sure for how much longer the democratic systems of the world can work, when the one's who get to vote are so easily fooled or lead astray by irrelevant and little things. |
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan |
| Edited by - Maverick on 08/09/2008 08:11:36 |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2008 : 14:29:21 [Permalink]
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Yes, a democratic society depends on an informed electorate. Without one you get what we are starting to see here in the US.
I just hope we can re-instill the values of intellectualism and education before its too late.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
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