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Starman
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Sweden
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 Posted - 08/12/2008 : 06:32:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
I think this whole thing is about Russia letting the former soviet republics know whose ass they have to kiss and why. |
Hanks ass and a million bucks*?
*)As soon as they leave town |
"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
1992 Posts |
 Posted - 08/12/2008 : 07:17:25 [Permalink]
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I think this whole thing is about Russia letting the former soviet republics know whose ass they have to kiss and why.
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Sounds about right indeed. Generally speaking the Russian politic seems, since Putin, to try and restore the Russian sphere of influence into what it was during the time of the Soviet Union.
They are working on it politically in Ukraine and militarily in Tchetchenia and now Ossetia.
As to the war crimes reported, I am not sure it is purely propaganda. I'd suspect neither army have much respect for the civilian populations. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2008 : 09:31:05 [Permalink]
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Zeked said:
| I am unacustomed to US media, so please excuse my overt repulsion |
You aren't the only one who is overtly repulsed by the US media. They are largely a fucking tabloid joke.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
1992 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2008 : 10:02:39 [Permalink]
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| I like to say: 'Investigative journalism was born in the US. It is only fitting that it died there too...' |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2008 : 14:44:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
Sounds very propagandish to me. |
You know, before Abu Ghraib Prison, Gunantanamo, a number of illegal abductions and prison-transports of non-US citizens to countries like Egypt where they were subjected to torture, American Marines murdering civilians etc. I might have been more inclined to agree with you. These days though... Anything concerning the American govnerment and its agents are highly suspect.
So don't you dare blame me for being suspicious and inclined to assume the worst.
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
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Posted - 08/12/2008 : 15:39:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by chaloobi
Sounds very propagandish to me. |
You know, before Abu Ghraib Prison, Gunantanamo, a number of illegal abductions and prison-transports of non-US citizens to countries like Egypt where they were subjected to torture, American Marines murdering civilians etc. I might have been more inclined to agree with you. These days though... Anything concerning the American govnerment and its agents are highly suspect.
So don't you dare blame me for being suspicious and inclined to assume the worst.
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I can't even dare? |
-Chaloobi
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2008 : 18:27:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
I can't even dare?
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder. |
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
1620 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2008 : 11:46:55 [Permalink]
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| By the news, whatever the Ruskies are up to now, it's not the cease fire & withdrawal they publicly agreed to. |
-Chaloobi
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
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Posted - 08/13/2008 : 14:53:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
By the news, whatever the Ruskies are up to now, it's not the cease fire & withdrawal they publicly agreed to.
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They'll want to keep the pressure on Georgia by any means possible. |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
1620 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2008 : 06:06:03 [Permalink]
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| Sounds like they plan to keep the seperatist regions. I wonder if those folks will ultimately be better off living under Russia or the purported liberal democracy of Georgia. It would be ironic if Georgia prospers under liberal reforms while the separatists squirm under authoritarian rule. |
-Chaloobi
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
1278 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2008 : 07:19:29 [Permalink]
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Those are my thought also. They'll try to get them independence from Georgia, after which they will be forced/coerced/persuaded into a cooperative alliance with Russia.
Hmmm, seems a dutch cameraman was killed last Tuesday during mortar fire on Gori. |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 08/15/2008 : 11:03:34 [Permalink]
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I laughed out loud when I heard on the radio this morning that Bush said of Putin, "Bullying and intimidation are not acceptable ways to conduct foreign policy in the 21st century."
Can anyone take this putz seriously anymore? |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
1620 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2008 : 12:40:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
I laughed out loud when I heard on the radio this morning that Bush said of Putin, "Bullying and intimidation are not acceptable ways to conduct foreign policy in the 21st century."
Can anyone take this putz seriously anymore?
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What makes it even funnier is the Georgians did start the shooting whereas with the US in Iraq we attacked a nation that wasn't threatening us in any way. Ugh, it makes my head hurt to say it, but in that comparison we're more the bad guys than they are.  |
-Chaloobi
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2008 : 13:59:11 [Permalink]
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chaloobi and all interested.....
How do you think the Russian incursion into Georgia will affect the Presidential and Congressional elections here in the U. S.?
Several mid-level folks in the Democratic party that I hear from are pretty concerned about the upcoming Republican propaganda onslaught that will present McCain as a Messianic military leader - and paint Obama as a Muslim terrorist traitor in a time of rebirth of the cold war with Russia as Putin reincarnates as a latter-day Stalin.
Any opinions on how this kind of pure political putrescence from Rove and Company may play with the great unwashed masses of the American electorate?
Don't forget the Swift Boat sewage of '04! The same sycophantic hack journalist Jerome R. Corsi has already produced another book,The Obama Nation which has been boosted to #5 on the NY Times best-seller list by massive group purchases funded by the Republican Party.
You've got to admit, the Rethugs are extremely skilled at flinging feces, playing the fear card, and manipulating the mindless masses!
Is Obama too smart for the largely brain-dead body politic? |
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
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Posted - 08/15/2008 : 14:30:45 [Permalink]
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Don't know, but don't you think the Americans are kind of fed up with war at this point. Perhaps if the republicans present McCain as a military leader, this might backfire? Especially if the democratic would succeed in strongly presenting Obama as a peace president?
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Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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Regarding Georgia and Russia's "Peace Keepers"
