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filthy
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 Posted - 08/29/2008 : 07:00:37
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That smacks of anti-semitism, that does! But then, anti-semitism is nothing new around the Vatican, and has little to do with this topic, anyway. What I want to point out is the rampant anti-frogatism currently gripping the very bowels of Pope Benny and some of his various under-popes, semi-popes bishops, priests, monks, & other, holy mojo-men that threatens to bring the Church to it's knees (literally & figuritivly) with the display of a crucifiction in an Italian museum.ROME (AP) - An art museum in northern Italy said Thursday it will continue displaying a sculpture portraying a green frog nailed to a cross that has angered Pope Benedict XVI and local officials.
The board of the foundation of the Museion in the city of Bolzano voted to keep the work by the late German artist Martin Kippenberger, the museum said in a statement.
Earlier in August the pope had written a letter to Franz Pahl, the president of the Trentino-Alto Adige region that includes Bolzano, denouncing the sculpture.
It "has offended the religious feelings of many people who consider the cross a symbol of God's love and of our redemption," Pahl quoted the pope as writing in the letter.
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Words fail me. First Crackergate and now Froggystick. Go figger!
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 07:42:19 [Permalink]
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| Strange how they havent latched onto any of the other torture devices they made famous. I'm sure Sparticus and his men would have beef with the "it's our cross" and you can't have it sentiment. |
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Simon
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 08:07:10 [Permalink]
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Yeah; initially, Christianity has a lot of symbol (the fish being the most famous one, of course, but lamb; sheperd; dove; peacock as well as Jesus' initials also were).
But the cross only imposed itself later. Not sure how and why, though.
As for the sculpture... Why is the frog holding a coffee mug? What is the statement? Is there any?
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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 09:03:04 [Permalink]
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| Coffee mug? I thought it was a beer stein. Still doesn't make any obvious sense, but neither does the egg the frog has in his other hand. |
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Dude
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 Posted - 08/29/2008 : 09:12:34 [Permalink]
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Beer to excess the night before makes you feel like crucified shit... green because that is your color as you are ralphing your intestines dry, and an old hangover cure is to down a couple of raw eggs.
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Simon
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 09:55:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Coffee mug? I thought it was a beer stein. Still doesn't make any obvious sense, but neither does the egg the frog has in his other hand.
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Originally posted by Dude
Beer to excess the night before makes you feel like crucified shit... green because that is your color as you are ralphing your intestines dry, and an old hangover cure is to down a couple of raw eggs. |
Upon looking at it again; you are probably right on both count.
I was drinking coffee my I saw it the first time, that might have coloured my judgement; but the scale of the object and the fact that it seems narrower at the top DO suggest it to be a beer stein.
As for the egg; at first, I thought it was the head of the nail. I was wrong there too.
Dude's interpretation is as good as any, I guess. |
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Kil
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 10:23:43 [Permalink]
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Well, a sense of humor at the top has never been any big religions strong suit. These guys would be doing themselves a favor if they just shut up.
And by the way, there is much humor in the depiction of the dead, christ like figures, demons and lots of crosses in the Dias de los muertos stuff of Mexico. And it is largely ignored by the church. Go figure...
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bngbuck
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 10:33:35 [Permalink]
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Filthy.....
I found a snapshot of Our SaviAnura in earlier, happier times delivering His famous Sermon On The Soapbox.
Admittedly a toady, He walked on water, but drank Kool Aid. (From a stein)
Caught in the Acts, the Romans really nailed Him as he was egging on the crowd.
Congratulations, Filth. Your picture is a great mug shot!
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 11:26:41 [Permalink]
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Heh, this thing is art and when you get right down to the dried puke in the bottom of the sacred chalice, it only needs to make sense to the artist. That is something that the Vatacan cross-dressers will never understand because, really, it has little to do with them at all.
I think of it as a cartoon version of Piss Christ, and they don't much like that one, either. 
Kind'a funny; The Pisser looks like it took a lot less effort to compose, but, that's art for ya!
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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But a Jew on a stick is just hunky-dory?
