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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 09/15/2008 :  10:10:57  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's not an official apology, but it's a start

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini

Edited by - BigPapaSmurf on 09/15/2008 10:12:00

H. Humbert
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Posted - 09/15/2008 :  10:54:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf

It's not an official apology, but it's a start.
It's not even an unofficial apology. It's damage control. A desperate attempt to remain relevant. Who needs 'em?


"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie
Edited by - H. Humbert on 09/15/2008 10:55:29
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 09/15/2008 :  10:57:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey it's certainly worthy of noting, ammo for our side.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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Simon
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Posted - 09/15/2008 :  10:59:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Boarf; no big deal.

Very few people, especially among the 'non-scientifically educated' rejected the idea at the time.
What is important is that they no longer do as do American evangelists (the only large Christian group that I know and still does)

Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
Carl Sagan - 1996
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filthy
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Posted - 09/15/2008 :  11:39:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The church(s) owe an apology to a hell of a lot more people than Darwin, for a hell of a lot more reasons than mere opposition to the ToE.

Tell 'em they can shove it!




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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 09/17/2008 :  05:33:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A pattern emerges, the Vatacan says today: evolution is compatable with the Bible, though no apologies will be made to Sir Charles.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26747166/

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
Edited by - BigPapaSmurf on 09/17/2008 05:33:59
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Kil
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Posted - 09/17/2008 :  07:23:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf

A pattern emerges, the Vatacan says today: evolution is compatable with the Bible, though no apologies will be made to Sir Charles.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26747166/
This has been the Vatican's position on evolution for some time now. What would be news is if they changed their official position on the use of contraception. (It would be nice if staying good with God didn't mean killing people in this time of serious STD's.) I am not at all surprised that the church of England shares the view that evolution is compatible with religion. (Plus, they allow contraception.)

I'll take the evolution part. Catholic and the Anglican schools teach biology as it should be taught. With all of their faults, that's a good thing, apology or not...

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 09/17/2008 :  10:10:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Do they just skip the primate chapter? I guess half-assed is better the no-assed.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

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Posted - 09/17/2008 :  10:50:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf

Do they just skip the primate chapter? I guess half-assed is better the no-assed.


[Off topic] BPS, I love your sig. Here's a recap of that game written just hours after it happened.[/off topic]
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 09/17/2008 :  12:09:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yeah, most important move in chess history I'd say, also in the history of the Skynet Defense Network.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

USA
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Posted - 09/17/2008 :  12:29:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf

Yeah, most important move in chess history I'd say, also in the history of the Skynet Defense Network.
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