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the_ignored
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 Posted - 11/08/2008 : 17:51:05
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There may be a way to deal with global warming after all, perhaps?
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A rock found mostly in Oman can be harnessed to soak up the main greenhouse gas carbon dioxide at a rate that could help slow global warming, scientists say.
When carbon dioxide comes in contact with the rock, peridotite, the gas is converted into solid minerals such as calcite.
Geologist Peter Kelemen and geochemist Juerg Matter said the naturally occurring process can be supercharged 1 million times to grow underground minerals that can permanently store 2 billion or more of the 30 billion tons of carbon dioxide emitted by human activity every year.
Their study will appear in the November 11 edition of the Proceedings of the Natural Academy of Sciences. |
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 11/08/2008 : 23:07:43 [Permalink]
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There are many ways to deal with the CO2 problem.
I'm not a fan of the atmospheric scrubbing plans. The best thing for this problem is to just stop pumping out trillions of tons of CO2. Simple.
As my preferred solution is not likely to happen soon, it may be that we need to engage in some form of geoengineering. The problem is that we really have no idea how these things will turn out. Even though we may end up with little choice (geoengineer or let the ice melt).
Best approached with caution, I think.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
1992 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2008 : 23:20:12 [Permalink]
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| Everybody knows that the only ways to deal with global warming is to regularly drop ice cubes obtained from comets into the world's ocean. That or back the earth a tiny bit further from the sun. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
Carl Sagan - 1996 |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 11/08/2008 : 23:43:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
Everybody knows that the only ways to deal with global warming is to regularly drop ice cubes obtained from comets into the world's ocean. That or back the earth a tiny bit further from the sun.
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My own idea: Launch billions of reflective balloons into the stratosphere. Since these will be navigational hazards, commercial aircraft will be grounded, lowering greenhouse emissions.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2008 : 09:06:34 [Permalink]
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Actually, 'mooner, there is an idea out there to launch millions of tiny mirrors into orbit. The little things would be able to be controlled so we can tell them to reflect sunlight or let it pass through. The net effect would be a giant mirror, thousands of miles across, that has controlable reflectivity.
Again, I'm not a great fan of these plans. We may need to end up doing something along these lines in the future(because humans are too fucking stupid to just stop shitting CO2 into the air), but I think we need to excercise caution.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 11/09/2008 : 10:59:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
Everybody knows that the only ways to deal with global warming is to regularly drop ice cubes obtained from comets into the world's ocean. That or back the earth a tiny bit further from the sun.
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Why fly all the way to space to get ice, when you can get it from the freezer in the kitchen?
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
1992 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2008 : 11:38:26 [Permalink]
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| Sheesh; did you guys all miss the reference? |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
Carl Sagan - 1996 |
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 11/09/2008 : 13:42:49 [Permalink]
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| Corks in cows. Enough said. |
by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9691 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2008 : 14:00:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
Sheesh; did you guys all miss the reference?
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I hadn't seen that one. Thanks!
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder. |
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astropin
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 11/10/2008 : 10:20:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
Corks in cows. Enough said.
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Ok, I lol'd
I don't want to be around when they finally blow though.
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I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.
You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.
Atheism:
The result of an unbiased and rational search for the truth.
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
1992 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2008 : 12:22:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by astropin
Originally posted by pleco
Corks in cows. Enough said.
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Ok, I lol'd
I don't want to be around when they finally blow though.
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Like global warming itself; it's a problem best adressed by skipping it under the carpet and passing it to the next generations to deal with. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
Carl Sagan - 1996 |
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the_ignored
SFN Addict
2562 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2008 : 11:38:22 [Permalink]
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I wonder what the potential for this would be, and how safe it could possibly be.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9691 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2008 : 12:37:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by the_ignored
There may be a way to deal with global warming after all, perhaps?
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A rock found mostly in Oman can be harnessed to soak up the main greenhouse gas carbon dioxide at a rate that could help slow global warming, scientists say.
When carbon dioxide comes in contact with the rock, peridotite, the gas is converted into solid minerals such as calcite.
Geologist Peter Kelemen and geochemist Juerg Matter said the naturally occurring process can be supercharged 1 million times to grow underground minerals that can permanently store 2 billion or more of the 30 billion tons of carbon dioxide emitted by human activity every year.
Their study will appear in the November 11 edition of the Proceedings of the Natural Academy of Sciences. |
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Any sollution that does not involve a drastic reduction of fossile carbon emission is just a band-aid, in my opinion. |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder. |
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
1620 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2008 : 11:36:53 [Permalink]
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Humanity needs climate engineering. Without it our world is going to be too hot or too cold before too long. Global warming by itself isn't bad. Indeed, according to some research, without the mild warming begun by the agricultural revolution some 5-8k years ago, there'd likely be ice sheets advancing across Northern Canada right now as we slip into the next cyclical glacial period.
It's just when you get too much of a good thing that things go bad. Now we need to pull the warming back a bit or we're going to be ten feet deeper into the ocean. What we really need to know is is how to carefully pull back and how much to pull back to result in comfortable global temps. If we reversed global warming 100%, there's 3 mile thick glaciers in the Northern Hemisphere's future. I don't want that for my many-great's grandchildren. Do you? |
-Chaloobi
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9691 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2008 : 12:35:01 [Permalink]
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It's a matter of keeping balance. But right now, the scales is on its merry way to toppling over entirely.
Some say we have already crossed the point of no return. True or not, I don't know. I hope not.
The last 100 years of consumerism have caused a lot of offset from the balance, and it will take a long time to recover. Once there, out technological advancements will make us better prepared to face that future's problems.
Just because we managed to reverse today's trend doesn't automatically mean we'll have that 3 mile thick ice-age ahead within a foreseeable future.
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder. |
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
1620 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2008 : 13:28:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
It's a matter of keeping balance. But right now, the scales is on its merry way to toppling over entirely.
Some say we have already crossed the point of no return. True or not, I don't know. I hope not.
The last 100 years of consumerism have caused a lot of offset from the balance, and it will take a long time to recover. Once there, out technological advancements will make us better prepared to face that future's problems.
Just because we managed to reverse today's trend doesn't automatically mean we'll have that 3 mile thick ice-age ahead within a foreseeable future.
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A few thoughts:
#1. I'm one of those who say it's too late to stop substantial warming in the coming century. And I only say that because I believe it is.
#2. There really isn't a balance of any kind in nature. It just seems that way because all the myriad changes that are in process all the time occur too damn slowly (or our life-spans are too damn short) for humans to notice. Until now.
#3. About the 3 mile ice, that was supposed to be light hearted. However, if it's true that we're overdue for the next glaciation, and that the reason is the methane and CO2 human activity has been puffing into the atmosphere over the past 5-8k years, then we ought to be cautious about how much we reduce those gasses to address the current gigantic puff spike. |
-Chaloobi
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