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the_ignored
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Posted - 01/30/2009 : 03:45:52 [Permalink]
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Wasn't it the case that back then, it was mandatory? It's this incident that makes me wonder.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Randy
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 Posted - 01/30/2009 : 04:49:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Hitler's erroneous association with atheism is almost entirely due to his acceptance and misuse of evolutionary theory to justify the antijewish policies.
As evolutionism has been pegged as godlessness by the Trues, they didnt have to think very hard to assume atheism. That and they ignore everything they dont want to be true.
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Don't forget about godless gravitationalism.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/30/2009 : 08:29:44 [Permalink]
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Screw 'em. Religions, all of them, are in business for themselves, as anyone who reads history, ancient and modern, knows. Why Should I Respect These Oppressive Religions?
Whenever a religious belief is criticised, its adherents say they're victims of 'prejudice'
by Johann Hari
The right to criticise religion is being slowly doused in acid. Across the world, the small, incremental gains made by secularism - giving us the space to doubt and question and make up our own minds - are being beaten back by belligerent demands that we "respect" religion. A historic marker has just been passed, showing how far we have been shoved. The UN rapporteur who is supposed to be the global guardian of free speech has had his job rewritten - to put him on the side of the religious censors.
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights stated 60 years ago that "a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief is the highest aspiration of the common people". It was a Magna Carta for mankind - and loathed by every human rights abuser on earth. Today, the Chinese dictatorship calls it "Western", Robert Mugabe calls it "colonialist", and Dick Cheney calls it "outdated". The countries of the world have chronically failed to meet it - but the document has been held up by the United Nations as the ultimate standard against which to check ourselves. Until now.
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Damn straight, they're victims of predjudice -- predjudice against mendacity. Hitler, as a confirmed Catholic and one-time alter boy (he used to walk funny back then, you know), was well versed in their dogma and used it, successfully, to his own ends. And the Vatican loved him for it because he followed their own thoughts concerning the Jews, Gypsies, women, homosexuals, cripples -- the Bible has a few terse verses concerning cripples however pious they might be, and so forth.
Yeh, screw 'em all! They are worthy only of conrempt.
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Simon
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Posted - 01/30/2009 : 08:58:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by the_ignored
Wasn't it the case that back then, it was mandatory? It's this incident that makes me wonder.
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It don't think it was mandatory, but it was highly recommended and not doing so automatically marked you as suspicious.
Also, most of the kids wanted to attend, after all, it was like a boy-scout club, and all of their friends were already attending... |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 01/30/2009 : 14:16:52 [Permalink]
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It became officially mandatory in 1936 for kids to join the Hitler-Jungend.
The thing is, those who joined willingly or otherwise -- and there's no real evidence that the future Pope Ratzi joined any way but voluntarily -- the brainwashing was intense and pervasive.
I simply feel that Ratzinger's action in rehabilitating a Holocaust denier (though the guy was excommunicated for being part of a schism, not for his antisemitism) indicates that the Hitler Youth training probably wasn't wasted on him.
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 01/30/2009 : 18:00:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
Did he ever mention Darwinism, though?
He was certainly influenced by eugenism, but that is totally different and predate Darwinism.
He also (mis)used Nietzsche a fair bit of course, but I have yet to find an actual reference to Evolution or Natural selection in the nazi's speeches or writing...
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His regime did forward a little ball of hate coined by Herbert Spencer called "social Darwinism".
A concept far removed from evolutionary theory and Darwin. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 01/30/2009 : 18:05:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Originally posted by Simon
Did he ever mention Darwinism, though?
He was certainly influenced by eugenism, but that is totally different and predate Darwinism.
He also (mis)used Nietzsche a fair bit of course, but I have yet to find an actual reference to Evolution or Natural selection in the nazi's speeches or writing...
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His regime did forward a little ball of hate coined by Herbert Spencer called "social Darwinism".
A concept far removed from evolutionary theory and Darwin.
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Yeah, the Nazi version might be described as second or third-generation Social Darwinism. And Spencer's Social Darwinism was already "Darwinism" about as much as Christian Science is "science."
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On fire for Christ
SFN Regular
Norway
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 23:13:16 [Permalink]
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| A lot of christians make links between Darwinism and Nazism, this practice is always protrayed on these boards as a cheap shot. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 00:00:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
A lot of christians make links between Darwinism and Nazism, this practice is always protrayed on these boards as a cheap shot.
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No, it's portrayed as false.
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On fire for Christ
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Norway
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 00:10:34 [Permalink]
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 02:15:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
A cheap shot can still be false.
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And also a false shot can be quite cheap.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 13:23:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
A lot of christians make links between Darwinism and Nazism, this practice is always protrayed on these boards as a cheap shot. |
It's a cheap shot because it's false.
The necessary precursors to formulate Hitler's ideas predate Darwin by thousands of years. They are so old and so widely accepted that they're written up in Genesis 30:31-43, which describes Jacob performing artificial selection on livestock. |
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Hittman
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 08:22:09 [Permalink]
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| A lot of christians make links between Darwinism and Nazism, this practice is always protrayed on these boards as a cheap shot. |
That's because it is a cheap shot, although the phrase usually indicates something far more trivial than this. It is an inaccurate shot, a shot that completely misses the mark, and so deeply dishonest that anyone making this connection can be written off as too big a fool to ever even deal with, much less take seriously.
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the_ignored
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Posted - 02/07/2009 : 13:43:25 [Permalink]
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Stephen Law is currently going through a book Double Cross: the Code of The Catholic Church by David Rana where the history between the Catholic Church and the Nazis is described in more detail.
Among the things Law has found:
The Vatican went to great lengths to save many prominent Nazis including:
Franz Stangl, commander of Treblinka, who killed nine hundred thousand.
Gustav Wagner, deputy commander of Sobibor, who killed a quarter of a million Jews,
and, wait for it...
Adolf Eichmann - architect in chief of the Final Solution.
Yes, Eichmann was shipped off to Argentina by the Vatican.
Ranan says:
The Church did not forsake the Nazis. She may try to maintain that any action undertaken to help them flee justice was carried out by persons acting as individuals representing their own interests. However, the collective magnitude of these actions, the number of people involved, and the resources used in terms of money, properties and personnel, tell a different story.... It was a Church operation.
If true, that's absolutely extraordinary. |
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
| Edited by - the_ignored on 02/07/2009 13:47:26 |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 02/08/2009 : 14:28:56 [Permalink]
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If I'm not mistaken, this video was recorded by Swedish television.
(You can hear a clearly Scandinavian accent from the interviewer) |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
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Church and Nazis
