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tomk80
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Netherlands
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 Posted - 02/13/2009 : 03:12:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
I have been trying to find a reference to the non-fiction article I read around 1960 or so in a science fiction magazine about man-made global warming. The article was in either Galaxy or Astounding (Analog). I recall the writer warned of rising CO2 levels due to the Industrial Revolution, and suspected they would begin warming earth. The writer knew of carbonate formation in the oceans, and was unsure whether or not these would keep up with the CO2 greenhouse gasses. The author was probably one of the Galaxy or Astounding regular fiction writers.
I didn't find that reference yet, but when I Googled using "history of man-made global warming," what I found were almost exclusively denialist articles, following the GOP Talking Points agenda. Turns out that two CNN meteorologists and one from Accuweather are on the Big Oil denialist team. The denialists seem extremely well-published in the popular press, and seem to have a lot more clout (and money behind them) than their actual numbers might account for.
Despite this, MMGW denialism remains mostly an American thing, largely tied to Christian Fundamentalism as a support for short-sighted petroleum corporations. Why the Hell is it that every imaginable kind of evil always seems to be a project of Christians?
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It's something you see quite commonly on the denialist side. Look at anti-vaccination movements (who I like to refer to as "Kid-killers"), creationism/ID-creationists ("IDiots"), homeopathy ("Murderers"), chiropractors ("paralysers") and a whole range of wackos, woowoos and weirdos. I guess that if you don't have to do research, you can spend more time and money on the promotion of your crap. |
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`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 02/13/2009 : 06:28:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
I guess that if you don't have to do research, you can spend more time and money on the promotion of your crap. |
So true. Even the Disco Institute's pet laboratory and "research" organization of record, the Biologic Institute, only is burdened with Web design and public relations. Its "at least two researchers" must think they have it made in the shade, since they don't have to do anything but act as shills.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Simon
SFN Regular
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1992 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2009 : 07:57:42 [Permalink]
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| Hmmm; maybe I should join the discovery institute... being paid not to do any research... |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
3192 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2009 : 08:19:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
Originally posted by HalfMooner
I have been trying to find a reference to the non-fiction article I read around 1960 or so in a science fiction magazine about man-made global warming. The article was in either Galaxy or Astounding (Analog). I recall the writer warned of rising CO2 levels due to the Industrial Revolution, and suspected they would begin warming earth. The writer knew of carbonate formation in the oceans, and was unsure whether or not these would keep up with the CO2 greenhouse gasses. The author was probably one of the Galaxy or Astounding regular fiction writers.
I didn't find that reference yet, but when I Googled using "history of man-made global warming," what I found were almost exclusively denialist articles, following the GOP Talking Points agenda. Turns out that two CNN meteorologists and one from Accuweather are on the Big Oil denialist team. The denialists seem extremely well-published in the popular press, and seem to have a lot more clout (and money behind them) than their actual numbers might account for.
Despite this, MMGW denialism remains mostly an American thing, largely tied to Christian Fundamentalism as a support for short-sighted petroleum corporations. Why the Hell is it that every imaginable kind of evil always seems to be a project of Christians?
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It's something you see quite commonly on the denialist side. Look at anti-vaccination movements (who I like to refer to as "Kid-killers"), creationism/ID-creationists ("IDiots"), homeopathy ("Murderers"), chiropractors ("paralysers") and a whole range of wackos, woowoos and weirdos. I guess that if you don't have to do research, you can spend more time and money on the promotion of your crap.
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The concept has been around since 1896 with the publication of the paper "On the influence of carbonic acid in the air upon the temperature of the ground" by S. Arrhenius. However he was all for it thinking it would benefit growing in the North, which it might in addition to the thousand problems it will cause. |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/13/2009 : 08:33:48 [Permalink]
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| Also Mooner, "Roommates" was an early sixties short which was the basis for the book, "More room! More room!" which was the basis for "Soylent Green". I think PKD also had an early 60s story or two about the topic. |
| Edited by - BigPapaSmurf on 02/13/2009 08:34:27 |
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Simon
SFN Regular
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1992 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2009 : 09:33:25 [Permalink]
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I have read a lot, probably most, of PKD's work and can't recall such a story.
But then, PKD was often more interested in exploring philosophy/psychology than hard science. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
Carl Sagan - 1996 |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/13/2009 : 10:42:04 [Permalink]
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It's called a Commuter Cooling Unit, from the book The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch (1964)PKD
Kinda like those hats with fans in the bill, but bigger. |
| Edited by - BigPapaSmurf on 02/13/2009 10:46:18 |
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
1992 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2009 : 11:03:40 [Permalink]
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| Ok... I read the book a while ago, it is one of his Gnostic themed ones, there is a couple of new idea and concepts every page, if I recall, and I did not notice this particular one. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
Carl Sagan - 1996 |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/13/2009 : 12:06:16 [Permalink]
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| It's a fairly significant theme I think as the only place to vacation is Antarctica. I'll need to track down a copy and read it, too many stories to remember the details. Your memory serves you right in that it is one of his first stories to have a religious tone. |
| Edited by - BigPapaSmurf on 02/13/2009 12:06:51 |
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