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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 05/07/2009 : 15:13:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Mycroft:
I suppose it's possible for a sarcastic comment to also be literally true, but it's clearly not in this case. |
I said "taken seriously, if not literally". You don't get to change what I said to make your case hold up...
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Now he's doing it to you Kil! HAHAHA!
Seems he does have a solid grasp of the straw-man fallacy.
So the only conclusion is that he is just as full of shit, just as racist, just as bigoted, and just as much of a dumb ass as Rush.
Why else would you defend Rush's use of straw-man arguments Mycroft? Especially when it is obvious to your average 10y/o that Rush's comments in this instance are nothing but race and gay baiting?
But please, by all means, continue to support Rush's despicable behavior. It gives us a more clear picture of you and your personal values.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 05/07/2009 : 15:24:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Originally posted by Kil
Mycroft:
I suppose it's possible for a sarcastic comment to also be literally true, but it's clearly not in this case. |
I said "taken seriously, if not literally". You don't get to change what I said to make your case hold up...
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Now he's doing it to you Kil! HAHAHA!
Seems he does have a solid grasp of the straw-man fallacy.
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I edited my reply before I saw this. Yes indeed. He built a strawman by changing the meaning of what I said, as I have now pointed out. |
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Why not question something for a change?
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 05/07/2009 : 23:02:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
And so what if he does? Do not all presidents do the same? Was it not Bush who gave us two conservative parrots in the forms of Alito and Chief Whitebread? The president makes his choice and from there, it's up to Congress.
Who would you prefer to make the choice, Mycroft? Rush? |
Rush? Of course not. Obama should and will make that decision. That's what he was elected for, it's both his privilege and duty. Further, if he decides to nominate someone who reflects his views, well, that's just one of the perks of being President of the United States. I might personally fantasize about Presidents picking Supreme Court nominees without regard to politics, but that's never been the tradition as long as I can remember. Besides, right now we could use a little balance to those two wing-nuts Bush put in there.
But it's also okay for Rush Limbaugh to whine and complain about it too. In a Liberal Democracy it's expected that those who dissent from the will of the majority to speak up and voice their dissent. They're even allowed to be sarcastic and bitter about it.
Will it make a difference? Probably not. Oh, I suppose it's theoretically possible for Rush and other conservatives to whip up enough outrage to embarrass Obama into picking someone not quite as liberal and he might have otherwise, but really all Obama needs to worry about is picking someone Congress will confirm, but that's no challenge.
Originally posted by filthy
If what I'm reading is correct, and I think it is, the general populace has had it with political, mainly conservative, bullshit and Obama is smart enough to realize it. |
Not just smart enough to realize it, he says it. Every time he talks about bipartisanship he always qualifies it by saying he's not going to entertain the failed policies of the past that people have voted against.
And rightly so. |
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 05/07/2009 : 23:11:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Mycroft:
I suppose it's possible for a sarcastic comment to also be literally true, but it's clearly not in this case. |
What I said was:
| Since when can sarcasm not be used to make a point that is meant to be taken seriously, if not literally? |
Added bolding.
Changing what I said and then arguing against it is a strawman argument. When backed to the wall, just go for the fallacy, eh?
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If you believe I've misrepresented your views, then certainly I apologize, but it doesn't seem to me to be a significant difference. It seems to me that anyone making any point is likely to be serious about it, or else why bother?
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2009 : 23:33:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by Mycroft
I don't believe that leveling insults at people who disagree with you makes them look bad. If you honestly think calling people who disagree with you stupid is a winning debate tactic, then the person lacking in mental facilities is you, not them.
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Emphasis mine.
I can only interpret this as an admission from you that you're a Limbaugh-fan, since it was you (and Machi4velli) I was debating.
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No, I don't consider myself to be a fan of Rush Limbaugh. I haven't listened to any of his shows in almost two decades, I didn't agree with his politics even when I did listen to his show, and I don't agree with him today.
Even so, it reflects poorly on you that you say his fans are too stupid to understand sarcasm just because they disagree with you. While I'm sure it's comforting to assume difference of opinion means inferior intellect, the truth is people of exceptional intelligence and stupidity can be found anywhere in the political spectrum. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 05/08/2009 : 04:30:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Mycroft
Even so, it reflects poorly on you that you say his fans are too stupid to understand sarcasm just because they disagree with you. |
But that is a straw-man. I never said that they were stupid because they disagreed with me. They are stupid, moronic imbeciles because they listen to him: Give him an audience to pander to.
| While I'm sure it's comforting to assume difference of opinion means inferior intellect, the truth is people of exceptional intelligence and stupidity can be found anywhere in the political spectrum. |
I know that. In fact, recently, I saw a Swedish left party member suggest putting a small wind-mill on the roof of cars and use the wind at cruising speed to help power the car. How about that? 
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Machi4velli
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 05/11/2009 : 21:47:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
But that is a straw-man. I never said that they were stupid because they disagreed with me. They are stupid, moronic imbeciles because they listen to him: Give him an audience to pander to. |
Listening to someone or voting for someone does not imply one completely likes or agrees with that person. Some people just do not think through their opinions and listen to whoever comes close to their own sometimes. Nor does listening to him imply the audience is stupid enough to not be able to understand this particular simple piece of sarcasm.
Votes in presidential elections are even worse barometers of the intelligence of a person. A person can turn off a radio if the commentator is being ignorant. People vote regardless of whether they like or agree with the candidates.
I have voted in every presidential election since I became old enough, but I have still never really liked a presidential candidate. I vote whoever comes close (not in all areas because I also prioritize my opinions, which makes the decision even less of a good label of my own views overall). After all, atheist capitalists are not a highly sought-after demographic. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 02:20:39 [Permalink]
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Limbaugh's top ten hits! Normally I do Top 5 lists, but Rush Limbaugh's racist comments could not be limited by such a small number. Now that he has reared his ugly once again in saying that Colin Powell is endorsing Barack Obama because he is black, it's time to ask ourselves why is Sarah Palin appearing on the show with such an astounding racist. Is she pallin around with bigots?
If John McCain was so eager to have Barack Obama repudiate the statements of his 'supporter,' John Lewis, shouldn't John McCain repudiate the extremely racist comments of his biggest right wing radio supporter, Rush Limbaugh.
Here's Our Top 10 Racist Rush Limbaugh Quotes
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This then, is what the Republicans have chosen to "lead" and "inspire" them; a chronic, racist & liar whose sole purpose in life is to enrich himself by being a catalyst for hatred.
Now that I think of it, he fits right in with the modern, neo-conservative wing of the Republican party. Which today is pretty much all of it -- there are exceptions, of course, but where the hell are they?
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 06:37:06 [Permalink]
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Getting hit, as I was, by such a concentrated load of utterly extreme Limbaugh racism all at once has left me gasping. Much as I've been disgusted by this demagogue, I never realized just how much of a racist he is.
Rush would indeed fit right in with Josef Goebbels and Limbaugh's look-alike, Hermann Goering. He is just as evil, and I'm convinced he would do as much evil, had he the power. That this utter Nazi is the de facto leader of the GOP is as astounding as it is alarming.
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2009 : 23:04:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
But that is a straw-man. I never said that they were stupid because they disagreed with me. They are stupid, moronic imbeciles because they listen to him: Give him an audience to pander to. |
Again, that doesn't seem like a significant distinction. You think they're stupid because they disagree with you, or you think they're stupid because they listen to someone who disagrees with you. In the end, hurling unfounded insults at them reflects more negatively on you than it does them.
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
I know that. In fact, recently, I saw a Swedish left party member suggest putting a small wind-mill on the roof of cars and use the wind at cruising speed to help power the car. How about that? |
That is funny, but I'd caution you not to confuse ignorance with stupidity. Many reasonable people may not understand physics well enough to know why that wouldn't work, but I bet that Swedish politician would if an engineer took a few moments to explain to him. |
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Another steaming barge-load of sewage.....
