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Robb
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USA
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 Posted - 05/16/2009 : 02:46:51
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From this story: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/05/13/craigslist.sex.ads/
Craigslist would elinminate the erotic section that promotes prostitution and create an adult section that they would monitor for prostitution. They would also charge a $10 fee for posting on this section.
I recently went to check and see the Dallas adult section and saw blatent prositution. I think the only differenece is that there is no longer nudity and craigslist now gets to make $10 off of every ad of prostitution.
| "We will be monitoring closely to make sure that this measure is more than a name change from 'erotic' to 'adult' and that the manual blocking is tough and effective to scrub prostitution and pornography," he said. |
| "Our continuing investigation will assure that these steps are substance, not just spin, and that Craigslist really shuts down its open online red-light district." |
We will see.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 05/16/2009 : 12:20:05 [Permalink]
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For better or worse (and I think it's both) prostitution is probably ineradicable.
As such, I'd rather see it legalized, off the streets, policed, regulated, taxed, and medically supervised, rather than constantly attacked as immoral and illegal. Our present attitude toward and laws about prostitution are guaranteed to keep prostitution under the thumbs of the mob, pimps, and corrupt cops. It's a system that usually makes the prostitute the biggest victim and allows him/her no real control, power, or income.
How, or if, Craigslist allows prostitution ads makes little difference in all this, other that such ads perhaps make prostitution just a little less visible on the street.
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
3739 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2009 : 12:27:20 [Permalink]
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| I agree with everything Mooner just wrote and second it! |
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2009 : 14:10:48 [Permalink]
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| And the reality is that on CL, you don't even need to post on the "erotic" section to solicit your services. In all the major cities, the "casual encounters" section-- which is ostensibly for those seeking just that-- features plenty of thinly-veiled offers. These of often quickly flagged for removal, but it's impossible to stop the flood of such ads. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 05/17/2009 : 11:36:33 [Permalink]
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| I agree with 'Mooner, Marf', and @tomic. |
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Robb
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2009 : 14:05:04 [Permalink]
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| I agree as well. Its just that now CL gets to make more money off prostitution as well. Although I don't think legalizing it would solve the problem of women and children being exploited in this way. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
3739 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2009 : 19:27:17 [Permalink]
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Robb wrote: | Although I don't think legalizing it would solve the problem of women and children being exploited in this way. |
Under the current system, the women can be prosecuted. This means that they have little incentive to come forward if they are being abused by other players in the system. If prostitution were legalized and regulated, then there would be an infrastructure in place to protect the women. Obviously children shouldn't be involved in any of this sort of business.
Some great arguments on both sides from procon.org: http://prostitution.procon.org/
Also:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/7350146.stm
Kate Hausbeck, a sociology professor at the University of Las Vegas, has spent nearly 10 years researching both the legal and illegal sex trade in Nevada.
She concludes that the best model for Nevada - and any country in the world - is the decriminalisation of prostitution.
"Empower the women who do the work. Give them labour protection and the rights given other workers. Because it's a job and a choice for many women," she says. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
3739 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2009 : 19:36:00 [Permalink]
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| I think it should also be pointed out that in most cases of prostitution, nobody is being abused. In a scenerio where there are two consenting adults engaged in sex for money, I don't see how that is any more morally questionable than a one night stand or what actors do in pornos. And both picking up a stranger to have sex with in a bar and making a porno are legal. Why is prostitution considered so different? It can't just be because of the potential for abuse, because there is potential for abuse with picking up strangers in a bar (I know at least one person who was beaten after picking someone up in a bar and another who was robbed) and the porn industry. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2009 : 20:57:54 [Permalink]
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Well, Marf, it depends on how we quantify "in most cases" I think. And also where we draw our geographic boundaries. But since most of the industry in the US is entirely unregulated, it is difficult to say what levels of abuse there are or aren't. My guess is that there are more teens engaged in such things than conventional statistics will suggest, and that physical abuse is higher, too.
Porn is a different beast only in that to market it (in the US), one needs to document certain things. And while it's not hard to imagine someone faking an ID so she can act in a porn film (or some producer faking said ID), it can't be more common than a random teen on some inner city street corner turning tricks.
This isn't to object to your point: indeed, what is the harm in two consenting adults agreeing to such a transaction? I'll pay $60 an hour for a professional massage, right? |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 05/18/2009 : 06:25:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Porn is a different beast only in that to market it (in the US), one needs to document certain things. |
Different in principle. Apparently, many producers of quite-popular porn keep all the necessary records, but have never been audited. What's the point of regulations which are never enforced? |
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thehobbyist
SPAMMER
USA
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Posted - 05/18/2009 : 08:54:26 [Permalink]
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Craigslist has basically rebranded its product. They have removed lots of raunchyness, and the extra money on the initial ad, is probably so that they can pay hourly screeners. All posters have to do is not be abusive and this would of never happened.
Any ways ... I loved looking at the erotic section the way it was around 3 yrs ago.... and I found a place very similar to it.
R.I.P craigslist.com (erotic section)
... Hello spam.com
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Machi4velli
SFN Regular
USA
854 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2009 : 18:24:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Porn is a different beast only in that to market it (in the US), one needs to document certain things. |
Different in principle. Apparently, many producers of quite-popular porn keep all the necessary records, but have never been audited. What's the point of regulations which are never enforced?
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It should still be useful in the event of allegations of wrongdoing. There are quite a few cases where record-keeping is required by law but only really checked if there is some suspicion. |
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