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Zebra
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 06/07/2009 : 21:07:20
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He says that more attacks are planned.
Would the US use torture in home-grown cases, of citizens or permanent residents on US soil, to obtain information which might be crucial to prevent further terrorist attacks?
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DtheB
New Member
USA
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Posted - 06/07/2009 : 21:15:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Zebra
He says that more attacks are planned.
Would the US use torture in home-grown cases, of citizens or permanent residents on US soil, to obtain information which might be crucial to prevent further terrorist attacks?
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I would not be surprised if they did, but I hope they don't. |
The misuse of a tool does not negate its existence. |
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Zebra
Skeptic Friend
USA
354 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2009 : 21:45:50 [Permalink]
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I must be getting cynical in my dotage. I rather suspect that an English-speaking white man would be far less likely to be tortured by the US government than a Farsi-speaking or Arabic-speaking brown-skinned man (whether the latter is on actual US soil, or Cuban soil contractually considered to be US soil for legal, but not for moral, purposes).
Edited for minor spacing issues, etc, and to say, Welcome DtheB!
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I think, you know, freedom means freedom for everyone* -Dick Cheney
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2009 : 23:30:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Zebra
He says that more attacks are planned.
Would the US use torture in home-grown cases, of citizens or permanent residents on US soil, to obtain information which might be crucial to prevent further terrorist attacks?
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Torture would be an inherently offensive, and completely unreliable way to get to the bottom of any murder conspiracies. But there are plenty of other ways to be tough, and to defeat this terror.
What we need, in my opinion, are: First the kind of Federal protection for abortion clinics, their patients and their staff that has been promised by the Obama Administration.
Secondly, we need a full-court press, using both paid informants and infiltrators, to get to the bottom of what may be conspiracies among radical anti-abortionists to murder, terrorize, and destroy. Then, based upon this intelligence, we need prosecutions. This needs to be a campaign as serious as the FBI's effort in the 1960's which smashed the KKK's terrorism in Mississippi.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 06/08/2009 : 03:11:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Torture would be an inherently offensive, and completely unreliable way to get to the bottom of any murder conspiracies. But there are plenty of other ways to be tough, and to defeat this terror. |
I think Zebra's point is that if Roeder had been brown-skinned and from another country, Dick Cheney would be frothing at the bit to waterboard him, given that Roeder has basically said that he knows where the "ticking time-bomb" is. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 06/08/2009 : 07:22:03 [Permalink]
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Ed Brayton is thinking along the same lines:Gee, do you think that if Bush was in office this guy would be waterboarded to get that important information out of him? I mean, this is far closer to the "ticking time bomb" scenario than anything involving Abu Zubaydah or Khalid Sheikh Muhammed... |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2009 : 09:07:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by HalfMooner
Torture would be an inherently offensive, and completely unreliable way to get to the bottom of any murder conspiracies. But there are plenty of other ways to be tough, and to defeat this terror. |
I think Zebra's point is that if Roeder had been brown-skinned and from another country, Dick Cheney would be frothing at the bit to waterboard him, given that Roeder has basically said that he knows where the "ticking time-bomb" is. |
I realized the irony. And I still thought it best to answer literally, as the same response applies to all terrorists. You see, I'd personally be tempted to waterboard Tiller's alleged assassin, so repeating the mantra is important, at least for me.
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Zebra
Skeptic Friend
USA
354 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2009 : 19:26:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Ed Brayton is thinking along the same lines:Gee, do you think that if Bush was in office this guy would be waterboarded to get that important information out of him? I mean, this is far closer to the "ticking time bomb" scenario than anything involving Abu Zubaydah or Khalid Sheikh Muhammed...
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Good comments after EB's post. (Not that I'm implying there aren't good comments here.) I particularly like this exchange:
kehrsam: This provides the perfect opportunity to prove the link between Osama and the Iranian nuclear program. At six waterboard sessions per day, I imagine we could get a confession within a month or two.
eric: If you're thinking about what ridiculous confessions he can make, why not go whole hog and skip directly to the logical paradox. Get him to confess under torture that the torture does not produce accurate intelligence. |
And what modern irony would be complete without a Facebook group?
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This guy claims to know some crucial information
