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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 06/12/2009 : 14:39:27
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No they didn't.
To start with, both researchers, Rubin and Quick, are the real deal: scientists. I googled just to be sure, creationists being the mendicants that they are.
It seems that some very interesting research is beginning to show that birds might not have evolved from theropod dinosaurs at all, but from a common ancestor with them. AiG is all over this like a starving hyena on the dessicated, headless cadaver of Baptist Johnny, and in all honesty, I really don't understand why. It does exactly nothing to enhance their position.
Birds did not evolve from dinosaurs: what creationists have been pointing out for years is now buttressed by new research.
The notion that theropod dinosaurs evolved into birds has almost certainly become one of the most widely accepted “facts” of evolution. The question for many evolutionary researchers had transitioned from “if” to “how.”1 Even artists' depictions of some dinosaurs (such as velociraptors) began to include feathers.2 Except for a few notable critics, such as University of North Carolina paleobiologist Alan Feduccia, evolutionists seem to have all but agreed on birds' dinosaurian origins.
Now, a new paper in the Journal of Morphology presents the research of two Oregon State University scientists who don't agree with the evolutionary dogma on bird origins.3 Doctoral student Devon Quick conducted the investigation into bird breathing and its connection with dinosaur-to-bird evolution as part her dissertation.
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Like most if not all scientific research, this will raise at least as many questions as it answers (if it survives scrutiny), which will spawn strident and amusing apologetics from the usual suspects.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 06/12/2009 : 15:04:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
No they didn't.
To start with, both researchers, Rubin and Quick, are the real deal: scientists. I googled just to be sure, creationists being the mendicants that they are.
It seems that some very interesting research is beginning to show that birds might not have evolved from theropod dinosaurs at all, but from a common ancestor with them. AiG is all over this like a starving hyena on the dessicated, headless cadaver of Baptist Johnny, and in all honesty, I really don't understand why. It does exactly nothing to enhance their position.
Birds did not evolve from dinosaurs: what creationists have been pointing out for years is now buttressed by new research.
The notion that theropod dinosaurs evolved into birds has almost certainly become one of the most widely accepted “facts” of evolution. The question for many evolutionary researchers had transitioned from “if” to “how.”1 Even artists' depictions of some dinosaurs (such as velociraptors) began to include feathers.2 Except for a few notable critics, such as University of North Carolina paleobiologist Alan Feduccia, evolutionists seem to have all but agreed on birds' dinosaurian origins.
Now, a new paper in the Journal of Morphology presents the research of two Oregon State University scientists who don't agree with the evolutionary dogma on bird origins.3 Doctoral student Devon Quick conducted the investigation into bird breathing and its connection with dinosaur-to-bird evolution as part her dissertation.
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Like most if not all scientific research, this will raise at least as many questions as it answers (if it survives scrutiny), which will spawn strident and amusing apologetics from the usual suspects.
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From AIG page that filthy linked to:
# Once again, the evolutionary “facts” have been challenged. What scientists believe about the evidence frequently changes, even while their presupposed belief in evolution is held constant. Don't be fooled by the “facts” that evolutionists themselves may doubt tomorrow!
# We may well hear a sharp response from other evolutionists attacking this research or, at least, emphasizing that birds still evolved, even if only from an unknown ancestor. Alternatively, we may hear virtually nothing if evolutionists hope the story goes unnoticed. |
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 06/12/2009 : 15:45:53 [Permalink]
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So new evolutionary evidence found by real scientists that may place a bird-dino ancestor further back in Deep Time (a concept Creationists don't believe in) has AiG all a-flutter?
Every advance in scientific knowledge only shows the Creos how scatterbrained and inconstant scientists are. At this rate, by the time science has thoroughly nailed down the major details of dino and bird evolution, scientists will have absolutely proven to Creationists that scientific "reality" is a mere will-o-the-wisp, constantly changing in the light of the latest fashion in scientific evidence.
What an inferior reed is science in comparison to scripture! Now, with the Bible you have God's Word, rock-solid and immutable, aside from thousands of years of editing, copying error, borrowing from other myth, deletion, addition, rewriting, translation, and selective interpretation.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Agita
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 06/13/2009 : 00:03:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Now, with the Bible you have God's Word, rock-solid and immutable, aside from thousands of years of editing, copying error, borrowing from other myth, deletion, addition, rewriting, translation, and selective interpretation.
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Not... I tried that tact on my dear sweet Mum and she said, "There are no changes that God didn't approve. It's still his word, just refined."
She also thinks that God sent all the people we needed to cure cancer and stop war, but they were killed in abortion clinics.
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/13/2009 : 12:54:34 [Permalink]
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Mark Twain is reported to have said:
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After pondering this, it seems that it is often true, though not, I'm sure, in the way your average deranged creationist would think. So much darkness was shed upon the way all celestial bodies move about the earth that we now know nothing at all about it. So much darkness was shed on the way that illness was caused by spirits or humors, that today we know nothing about it. And the list could go on and on. But I see it as a good thing, as incorrect explanations for phenomena are buried in darkness, the light is aimed at a better explanation. I only hope that someday, and someday soon, our knowledge of how gods operate in this world will have so much darkness shed on it that no one will no anything about it. |
The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley
The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2009 : 13:47:23 [Permalink]
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The really funny part of all this is that AiG, et al., think that this discovery -- if it pans out to be such -- will be to the profound dismay of evolutionary science: "Them nerds had it wrong the whole time; ha-ha all on 'em!"
Nothing could be farther from the truth. If it becomes accepted science, everybody including me will break out the good booze and party down, because another tiny piece of the everlasting puzzle will have fallen into place.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2009 : 03:50:43 [Permalink]
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I used to like NASCAR.... From fossils to fossil fuels.
On the heels of my colleague Chris Kenning's story about the growing influence of the Creation Museum comes news about another way the controversial Northern Kentucky institution is getting out its word.
The museum will be sponsoring a car run by Bobby Hamilton Jr. for MacDonald Motorsports this Saturday at Kentucky Speedway. The wrap-around logo will be visible in the nationally televised Meijer 300, according to the statement.
"Racing is very popular here in Kentucky, and this is a great opportunity for the Creation Museum to be brought to the attention of a new audience at an incredible venue just an hour from us," museum founder Ken Ham said in a statement.
To the dismay of many science educators, the museum has spread its teachings to hundreds of thousands of visitors as well as consumers of its books and videos. The museum disputes the virtual scientific consensus that all life evolved gradually and that the earth is billions of years old. Its exhibits claim that according to the Bible, the earth is only a few thousand years old, that humans co-existed with dinosaurs and that death did not occur until humans sinned. |
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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AiG has an orgasm! They almost scored.
