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Simon
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Originally posted by Landrew
Simple faith, blind faith, earned faith or verified faith?
I think there are many ways to achieve faith:
I have faith in things that stand up to questioning, critical testing and are derived from rational arguments and good evidence. |
Technically, that's not faith but knowledge. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/28/2009 : 16:35:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Landrew
I have faith in things that stand up to questioning, critical testing and are derived from rational arguments and good evidence. |
The only way that is "faith" is if you begin with a firm footing in solipsism. It's possible to climb out of that philosphical cess pool without needing to have faith in reality. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
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Zebra
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 06/28/2009 : 18:48:52 [Permalink]
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Welcome, Sfhts!
Originally posted by Sfhts
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Well reader, God is an entity made up of millions, if not billions of 'energies'... |
Oh dear. This is what came to mind when I read this part of your OP.
Consider this; When you die your body ceases to be of any use, save fertiliser for the ground, but once that mortal coil is shed it allows the energy trapped inside to be released, and 'pool' with the rest of the dead energy.
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As anyone with a basic knowledge of science will tell you, energy cannot simply disappear, it merely changes state. Think of when you made a mock plane as a child, you made wings, a tube for a fuselage, a propeller and rigged a rubber band inside. When wound, this band would unwind itself to power the bands, elastic energy becoming kinetic energy (movement). The same principle applies to us, as when we die the electric energy contained within that powers the internal organs like the heart and brain, is projected from the corpse to roam free. So what of this energy? |
Nope. One word: entropy. Another word (actually, an acronym): ATP. (BTW, what the f*** does "dead energy" mean??)
Electric potential across cell membranes exists because of an active process by which charged particles (potassium, sodium, calcium) are moved against their diffusion gradient, and the electric gradient, by enzymes such as Na-K-ATPase, and require intact cell membranes and a source of ATP. Death of the organism leads to death of the cells, including cessation of the active maintenance & metabolism functions, including cessation of manufacture of ATP and disruption of cell membranes (by cellular autolysis, and failure to maintain the integrity of the membrane by active functions). One of the results is the equalization across cell membranes of EVERY substance which was previously maintained at one level inside cells and a different level outside cells through active, energy-requiring functions. (And the loss of electric potential, which happens VERY early on. Cessation of function of the brain & heart, those key electrically-active organs, are the definitions of death: "brain death", and "cardiac arrest".)
| This energy is simple in it's nature [snip] |
Pet peeve:
it's = "it is"
its = possessive form of "it"
Again, welcome. And now I hope that your eyes are opened; at least to the nature of scientific skeptics.
Edited to try for a basic explanation of electric potential in neurons: potassium is selective crammed into cells WAY beyond what the natural diffusion would permit. This takes energy, and creates an electric potential across the membrane. Potassium keeps leaking back out of the cell, and has to constantly be moved back into the cell (using energy) to maintain the electric potential. All you have to do is stop providing the cell w/ a source of energy and - voila! - potassium rampages out of the cell following its diffusion gradient, and - voila! - that hard-won electric potential is No More. |
I think, you know, freedom means freedom for everyone* -Dick Cheney
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Science Pricktion
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Posted - 06/29/2009 : 08:53:00 [Permalink]
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| Someone explain how the pyramids in Egypt were built please. |
Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try |
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Science Pricktion
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Posted - 06/29/2009 : 08:55:41 [Permalink]
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Pet peeve:
it's = "it is"
its = possessive form of "it"
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Wow, a punctuation Nazi. |
Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try |
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Hawks
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/29/2009 : 09:07:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Science Pricktion
Someone explain how the pyramids in Egypt were built please.
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Why don't you start a new topic? Or look online? |
METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL
It's a small, off-duty czechoslovakian traffic warden! |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 06/29/2009 : 09:28:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Science Pricktion
Someone explain how the pyramids in Egypt were built please.
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And this is in reply to what? Or is it the non-sequitur that it appears to be? |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/29/2009 : 09:30:36 [Permalink]
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| I saw a video of a guy who showed how it was possible for one person to raise the blocks from Stonehenge alone using only sticks and rocks. What makes you think 100,000 people couldnt build a pyramid over many years? I'm not giving any answers until you say how YOU think they were built. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Zebra
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 06/29/2009 : 18:58:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Originally posted by Science Pricktion
Someone explain how the pyramids in Egypt were built please.
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And this is in reply to what? Or is it the non-sequitur that it appears to be?
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It very likely involved ATP. I'm sure that's what Science Pricktion was getting at. 
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 06/30/2009 : 02:16:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Science Pricktion
Someone explain how the pyramids in Egypt were built please.
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Why, with the period versions of backhoes, bucket loaders and cranes, of course. What kind of a lame-assed question is that? Are you an Erich von Daniken fan?
If you'd learn to write and behave in an appropriate manner, you wouldn't stir them up, now would you?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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Simon
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Posted - 06/30/2009 : 07:49:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Originally posted by Science Pricktion
Someone explain how the pyramids in Egypt were built please.
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Why, with the period versions of backhoes, bucket loaders and cranes, of course. What kind of a lame-assed question is that? Are you an Erich von Daniken fan?
If you'd learn to write and behave in an appropriate manner, you wouldn't stir them up, now would you?
I don't know how to do an umlaut on a computer. Comments?
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Well, this site might help you.
try [ampersand]auml; : Umläut. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Dave W.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/30/2009 : 08:31:23 [Permalink]
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That seems straightforward enough. Thänks!
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Simon
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/30/2009 : 10:25:22 [Permalink]
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By an amusing coincidence, a similar conversation is going on on the JREF fora, leading to this pretty cool article.
We have a pretty reasonable idea now of the infrastructure behind the building of the pyramids. A whole city was found to host the workers and that contained significant installation to feed the workers and even several workshop for their bronze tools. As yet, the city seems surprisingly exempt in UFO landing strips. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
Carl Sagan - 1996 |
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Science Pricktion
New Member
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Posted - 06/30/2009 : 13:15:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Originally posted by Science Pricktion
Someone explain how the pyramids in Egypt were built please.
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Why, with the period versions of backhoes, bucket loaders and cranes, of course. What kind of a lame-assed question is that? Are you an Erich von Daniken fan?
If you'd learn to write and behave in an appropriate manner, you wouldn't stir them up, now would you?
I don't know how to do an umlaut on a computer. Comments?
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Where did I "misbehave" or punctuate incorrectly? What is the deal with the black "8" in all your posts? Are you racist? Are you hinting towards a stereotype? Or are you black? I am confused.
That von Daniken seems like a cool cat. You folks don't believe that the Egyptians built the pyramids do you? |
Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try |
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God exists
