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The Rat
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An interesting method for locating the hairy one himself.
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filthy
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 Posted - 07/06/2009 : 07:15:33 [Permalink]
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Dang, for a minute there, I thought you were referring those grotesque appendages hanging off Dave_W's ankles. Silly me! 
Quite a good article, actually. But I think that all Bigfoot sightings, like Nessie, were made either through the optical effects caused by the bottoms of beer bottles, overactive imaginations, or spun from the whole cloth.
Sorry 'bout that, Dave -- couldn't resist..... 
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 07:54:47 [Permalink]
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Makes good sense. It reminds me of when I was taking my mother and sister for a tour of Washington's Olympic Peninsula when they visited me in 2003. We were on a long straight stretch of two-lane road in a flat, densely forested area. About a quarter mile ahead, a large animal ran across the road. My first (silent) mental identification was A gorilla! A second later, I chuckled and thought, No, of course not, this isn't Africa! I told my kin, "Look, a black bear!"
I've always thought since then that my brief but absurd initial identification was strange. But maybe it wasn't so different from mistakes made by other in Sasquatch Country. If someone thinks Bigfoot is a reasonable sighting, it might be easy to see a distant black bear as Bigfoot.
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Simon
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 09:07:12 [Permalink]
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Hum, their point was that spurious data will produce spurious results.
But, the correlation between the produced model and that of a black bear, is logically identified by the authors as meaning that many Bigfoot sighting were actually Black bear sightings.
But that also means that the data was not so spurious after all.
They were the produced of the sighting (and misinterpretation) of a REAL specie, the black bear.
This sort of defeat their whole point, no?
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filthy
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 11:02:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
S'okay, filthy. I'm sure you know that you'll get yours, someday...
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Heh, yeah. But yer gonna take a number and have a seat in the waiting room...... 
| I've always thought since then that my brief but absurd initial identification was strange. But maybe it wasn't so different from mistakes made by other in Sasquatch Country. If someone thinks Bigfoot is a reasnable sighting, it might be easy to see a distant black bear as Bigfoot. |
Oh yes. What with all of the Bigfoot/Yeti hype floating around, the image is stuck in our minds, and we all know the treachery that wretched organ is capable of.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the whole thing started as a practical joke back in the 50s? If so, well done!
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filthy
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 Posted - 07/06/2009 : 16:06:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
| Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the whole thing started as a practical joke back in the 50s? If so, well done! |
I think you may be confusing Bigfoot with crop circles.
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No, no, I seem to recall a fuzzy home movie of some guy in a monkey suit that eventually confessed to the hoax. I think I'll look it up.
Edit: Ok, got it. I had the decade wrong, and they did not confess the hoax, but the flick is called the Patterson-Gimlin film.
| The Patterson-Gimlin film (also referred to as simply the Patterson film) is a short motion picture of an unidentified subject filmed on October 20, 1967 by Roger Patterson (Wall, South Dakota, February 14, 1926 – January 15, 1972) and Robert Gimlin (Missouri, October 18, 1931) who claimed the film was a genuine recording of a Bigfoot. The film has been subjected to many attempts both to debunk and authenticate it. Some qualified scientists have judged the film a hoax with a man in an ape suit, but other scientists contend the film depicts an animal unknown to science, or cryptid, claiming it would be virtually impossible for a human to replicate the subject's gait and muscle movement. |
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dude
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 17:29:35 [Permalink]
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Penn & Teller did a bigfoot spoof video for their show Bullshit a couple seasons back too.
Released it on youtube, started a buz about it, and had "experts" saying it was everything from good to amazing evidence for bigfoot!
It was, in fact (duh), a guy in a monkey suit walking around in the woods.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 20:08:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
No, no, I seem to recall a fuzzy home movie of some guy in a monkey suit that eventually confessed to the hoax. I think I'll look it up.
Edit: Ok, got it. I had the decade wrong, and they did not confess the hoax, but the flick is called the Patterson-Gimlin film. |
No, you got a different person. Ray Wallace was stomping around in fake feet in 1957, at least according to his family. They also claim he had some involvement in the Patterson-Gimlin film, but other researchers dispute that. Wallace's fake feet were big news in late 2002 and early 2003. See also Wallace's own Wikipedia entry. |
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Simon
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 21:43:49 [Permalink]
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I think that one of the two Peterson or Gimli might also have confessed.
There is a thread on the subject on the JREF fora with plenty of knowledgeable people.
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filthy
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 02:38:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by filthy
No, no, I seem to recall a fuzzy home movie of some guy in a monkey suit that eventually confessed to the hoax. I think I'll look it up.
Edit: Ok, got it. I had the decade wrong, and they did not confess the hoax, but the flick is called the Patterson-Gimlin film. |
No, you got a different person. Ray Wallace was stomping around in fake feet in 1957, at least according to his family. They also claim he had some involvement in the Patterson-Gimlin film, but other researchers dispute that. Wallace's fake feet were big news in late 2002 and early 2003. See also Wallace's own Wikipedia entry.
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Now I've got it straight. I think. I declare, this Bigfoot nonsense gets so tangled that the only claim with any credence at all is that the beastie ain't. Thanks for the info.
Edit: We've discussed it in here a few times with some true believers, but it's ben a while.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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The Rat
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 18:44:00 [Permalink]
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The wildest 'hypothesis' I ever heard proposed with a straight face was that they are shape-shifting interdimensional aliens.
I ask you, how the hell can any scientific investigation falsify that?! Some times you just have to chuckle, shake your head, and move on. |
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Locating Bigfoot
