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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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 Posted - 08/08/2009 : 14:08:47
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who reject evolution is total bullshit. What's more, even if the list were accurate, and it isn't, so what? This little video shows us what liars they are, as though we didn't already know that.
But hey, it's a fun video all the same.
List of Scientists Rejecting Evolution- Do they really?
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Why not question something for a change?
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 08/08/2009 : 14:46:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
who reject evolution is total bullshit. What's more, even if the list were accurate, and it isn't, so what? This little video shows us what liars they are, as though we didn't already know that.
But hey, it's a fun video all the same.
List of Scientists Rejecting Evolution- Do they really?
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Excellent!
We knew that was the case, but didn't realize the extent of it. Is there no limit to the perfidy of the IDers? I rather suspect not.
Heh, someone who wants to qualify for the Group W Bench should go and post that sweet, little gem at Uncommon Descent.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 08/08/2009 : 16:01:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
who reject evolution is total bullshit. What's more, even if the list were accurate, and it isn't, so what? This little video shows us what liars they are, as though we didn't already know that.
But hey, it's a fun video all the same.
List of Scientists Rejecting Evolution- Do they really?
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Absolutely devastating video! Thanks for the link.
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 08/08/2009 : 16:16:17 [Permalink]
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Shocked! I am absolutely shocked!!  |
The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 08/08/2009 : 16:31:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
Shocked! I am absolutely shocked!!
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Hooduh thunkitt?
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the_ignored
SFN Addict
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Posted - 09/13/2011 : 22:30:26 [Permalink]
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| I know that this is an old thread, but I figure that this would be a good reminder of how dishonest they are. Stephen Law has just posted this. |
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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justintime
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Posted - 09/23/2011 : 07:25:31 [Permalink]
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There is nothing worse than half baked theories. Before we deal with those rejecting evolution we should at least be able to hold on to those who believe in it.
After a course in Darwinism the critical question on most minds are the evolution of humans. Several theories are provided.
1. We are closely related to Chimpanzees 98% DNA matched
2. We have a common ancestor with the gorillas, chimpanzees and orangutans.
3. That common ancestor was very monkey like....maybe even a monkey.
So we are actually descendants of monkeys or even we are all monkeys including apes.
Of course Creationist reject such associations to monkeys after all we are visibly of higher intelligence. But so do scientist. So if scientist cannot establish a link between our common ancestors. It does create doubt in the complex classification of Primate Phylogeny, taxonomy, taxa and cladistic groupings.
If it swims like a duck, quack and walks like a duck....why do we call it evolution? |
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moakley
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/23/2011 : 09:53:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
There is nothing worse than half baked theories. Before we deal with those rejecting evolution ...
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Could be me, but you seem a little confused about the point you were trying to make. "half baked theories rejecting evolution" you will get no argument here.
Originally posted by justintime
After a course in Darwinism the critical question on most minds are the evolution of humans. Several theories are provided.
1. We are closely related to Chimpanzees 98% DNA matched
2. We have a common ancestor with the gorillas, chimpanzees and orangutans.
3. That common ancestor was very monkey like....maybe even a monkey.
So we are actually descendants of monkeys or even we are all monkeys including apes.
Of course Creationist reject such associations to monkeys after all we are visibly of higher intelligence. But so do scientist. So if scientist cannot establish a link between our common ancestors. It does create doubt in the complex classification of Primate Phylogeny, taxonomy, taxa and cladistic groupings.
If it swims like a duck, quack and walks like a duck....why do we call it evolution?
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Of course creationist reject evolution even though their ideas do not even rise to the level of "half baked".
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 09/23/2011 : 10:14:26 [Permalink]
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justintime wrote: | So if scientist cannot establish a link between our common ancestors. It does create doubt in the complex classification of Primate Phylogeny, taxonomy, taxa and cladistic groupings. |
Lots of links have been established that connect humans to other primates: austropithecines, Homo habilis, Homo erectus - and those are just some of the best contenders for direct lineage. The Homindae family have tons of branches for animals which had both human and great ape characteristics. Frankly I think anyone who looks at the evidence and then denies human evolution has a serious case of denial. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 09/23/2011 : 11:03:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
Of course Creationist reject such associations to monkeys after all we are visibly of higher intelligence. But so do scientist. |
(emphasis mine)
Since when?
Ok firstly, there's a difference between monkey and ape. Ape is the "super-family", one step above hominidae, the family of orangutans, gorillas, chimps, and man. Monkey are tailed primates, farther removed from man than hominidae.
Secondly, there are no missing links. Only minor gaps in fossil record. Biologists seem to be in agreement that man is descended from a common ancestor to today's great apes, and by extension share common ancestors with monkeys, lemurs, rats, whales, platypus, frogs, fish, T-rex, pterodactyls, and yes: ducks.
So if scientist cannot establish a link between our common ancestors. |
I thought they did. When did this change?
Are you questioning there is evidence for evolution?
(and by that I mean common ancestral relationship of all living beings)
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justintime
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Posted - 09/23/2011 : 15:24:56 [Permalink]
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What most of the primate phylogeny charts often skip are the extinct primates before the branching of the great apes and old world monkeys from the infraorder catarrhini. What I was saying was scientist do not agree our common ancestors (humans and apes) were monkeys. But the order suggest primate->prosimian->simians(monkeys)->apes->humanoids.
Here is a link to what is missing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg0G3LQRz8I |
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
1888 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2011 : 19:17:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
What most of the primate phylogeny charts often skip are the extinct primates before the branching of the great apes and old world monkeys from the infraorder catarrhini. What I was saying was scientist do not agree our common ancestors (humans and apes) were monkeys. But the order suggest primate->prosimian->simians(monkeys)->apes->humanoids.
Here is a link to what is missing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg0G3LQRz8I
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Gish Gallop?
Past changes in hominoid taxonomy should not be an argument against current hominoid taxonomy. Nor are evolutionary dead ends. However I did approve of the inclusion of the restaurant at the end of the universe in the link.
Genetic analysis shows that hominoids diverged from the Old World monkeys between 29 million and 34.5 million years ago.[20] The gibbons split from the rest about 18 mya, and the hominid splits happened 14 mya (Pongo), 7 mya (Gorilla), and 3-5 mya (Homo & Pan)
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So 29-34.5 million years ago we shared a common ancestor with monkeys, but as Dr Mabuse has pointed out you go back far enough and we share a common ancestor with ducks. |
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CRUX
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Posted - 09/24/2011 : 07:03:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by moakley
Originally posted by justintime
What most of the primate phylogeny charts often skip are the extinct primates before the branching of the great apes and old world monkeys from the infraorder catarrhini. What I was saying was scientist do not agree our common ancestors (humans and apes) were monkeys. But the order suggest primate->prosimian->simians(monkeys)->apes->humanoids.
Here is a link to what is missing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg0G3LQRz8I
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Gish Gallop?
Past changes in hominoid taxonomy should not be an argument against current hominoid taxonomy. Nor are evolutionary dead ends. However I did approve of the inclusion of the restaurant at the end of the universe in the link.
Genetic analysis shows that hominoids diverged from the Old World monkeys between 29 million and 34.5 million years ago.[20] The gibbons split from the rest about 18 mya, and the hominid splits happened 14 mya (Pongo), 7 mya (Gorilla), and 3-5 mya (Homo & Pan)
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So 29-34.5 million years ago we shared a common ancestor with monkeys, but as Dr Mabuse has pointed out you go back far enough and we share a common ancestor with ducks.
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and yet some ,plainly, are fully quackers |
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