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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2009 : 01:13:48 [Permalink]
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Doomar.....
I haven't yet heard from you what exactly you mean by the word "liberal" in your proposed name change for the SFN forums.
You said.....| The idea of being skeptical about people or powers that be in general is really not part of this forum or the majority of skeptics that peruse it. |
What does that statement have to do with your meaning of the word "liberal"?
I see no logical continuity here. Please explain?
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
 Posted - 08/13/2009 : 02:00:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Doomar
I now see the fallacy of my thinking...skepticism is not really what this forum is about. It is more of a place for people to simply lash out and express themselves about whatever. Condescension and smart retorts with sarcasm are the norm and seemingly expected. Civility is low on the totem pole and definitely not a requirement, though some practice it. Unbelief in God is the norm, and the M.O. of behavior is rejection of all who dare to express such belief. Attacking the person rather than discussing the argument is most common. So this is more of a social club of unbelievers with a smattering of those who believe otherwise outside of a small clique of insiders: your basic club for the elitist liberal thinker who thinks a bit too highly of him or herself. Skepticism with independent, critical thinking, focusing on ideas rather than people, would be a large step above this forum and perhaps too great of goal to propose, though it should be considered a worthy ideal.
My original suggestion for a name change stands, but I am open to suggestions for the name that more clearly represents this club.
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That reminds me; someone tell the Grand Skeptickal Draggin' that I'm a little short on my dues this month, but I'll make it up in September. Oh, and I need a new tinfoil hat; the point got busted off'n mine at the big conservative crucifixion last Tuesday. That was a good time, wasn't it? Isn't it just great to see them on the cross?
Ok Doomar, let's get down to where the rat dropped the raisin in the the butter dish; have you suddenly popped up after a long hiatus for no better reason than to toss insults and bitch about liberals, or what?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2009 : 03:18:03 [Permalink]
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Here's something I just stumbled across; A day in the life of Joe, middle class Republican
Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.
All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.
Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
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And so forth. I hope you're paying attention to this, Doomar, because every word of it is true. Liberals got you a lot, probably most, of what you have today, and conservatives strive constantly to take it away.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2009 : 03:52:48 [Permalink]
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Well, if we do change the name of the site, I've got the beginnings of the new site graphics:
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2009 : 04:34:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Doomar
Those who call themselves skeptics tend to be skeptics only about those who generally oppose their viewpoints. The idea of being skeptical about people or powers that be in general is really not part of this forum or the majority of skeptics that peruse it. Therefore, I would suggest that this forum be renamed. Liberal Skeptic Friends Network.
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"Reality has a known liberal bias" - Stephen Colbert
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2009 : 05:16:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Doomar
I now see the fallacy of my thinking...skepticism is not really what this forum is about. |
In your obviously not-so-humble opinion. I disagree.
| Condescension and smart retorts with sarcasm are the norm and seemingly expected. |
They are the norm when people like you posts opinions that are worthy of condescension etc. Write something interesting, noteworthy, intelligent, and thought-through, and we will respond differently.
| Unbelief in God is the norm, and the M.O. of behavior is rejection of all who dare to express such belief. |
Can you for the sake of argument substantiate the second part of that paragraph with a few links to examples of this behaviour, as evidence?
Unsubstantiated assertions are subject to skepticism.
| Attacking the person rather than discussing the argument is most common. |
Really?
Of course, is does happen from time to time, when the person being attacked is presenting an argument that has been proved bunk so many times that refuting it all over again is a waste of time and energy. Instead of re-inventing the wheel for the nth time, SFN spend energy being more creative, for example, making fun of Ken Ham, Bill Dumbski, Jack Chick, etc.
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder. |
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
1992 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2009 : 09:06:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Well, if we do change the name of the site, I've got the beginnings of the new site graphics:
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That's pretty cool. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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astropin
SFN Regular
USA
970 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2009 : 10:44:58 [Permalink]
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| There is a reason most skeptics tend to be more liberal. It matches a little closer with reality & reason. |
I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.
You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.
Atheism:
The result of an unbiased and rational search for the truth.
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Doomar
SFN Regular
USA
714 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2011 : 20:11:26 [Permalink]
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There was a man known to be a skeptic among the disciples of Jesus. His name was Thomas. He doubted that the Lord was risen from the dead and wanted proof. Nevertheless, he loved the Lord Jesus and was greatly distressed over his death on the cross.
"One of the disciples, Thomas, "The Twin," was not there at the time with the others. 25 When they kept telling him, "We have seen the Lord," he replied, "I won’t believe it unless I see the nail wounds in his hands—and put my fingers into them—and place my hand into his side."
26 Eight days later the disciples were together again, and this time Thomas was with them. The doors were locked; but suddenly, as before, Jesus was standing among them and greeting them.
27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger into my hands. Put your hand into my side. Don’t be faithless any longer. Believe!"
28 "My Lord and my God!" Thomas said.
29 Then Jesus told him, "You believe because you have seen me. But blessed are those who haven’t seen me and believe anyway."
John 20:24-29 (TLB)
This "skeptic" went on to serve the Lord Jesus on this earth till the day he was martyred. When the Lord comes back, he will reign with Christ, judging one of the tribes of Israel. |
Mark 10:27 (NKJV) 27But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2011 : 20:26:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Doomar
There was a man known to be a skeptic among the disciples of Jesus. His name was Thomas. He doubted that the Lord was risen from the dead and wanted proof. Nevertheless, he loved the Lord Jesus and was greatly distressed over his death on the cross.
"One of the disciples, Thomas, "The Twin," was not there at the time with the others. 25 When they kept telling him, "We have seen the Lord," he replied, "I won’t believe it unless I see the nail wounds in his hands—and put my fingers into them—and place my hand into his side."
26 Eight days later the disciples were together again, and this time Thomas was with them. The doors were locked; but suddenly, as before, Jesus was standing among them and greeting them.
27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger into my hands. Put your hand into my side. Don’t be faithless any longer. Believe!"
28 "My Lord and my God!" Thomas said.
29 Then Jesus told him, "You believe because you have seen me. But blessed are those who haven’t seen me and believe anyway."
John 20:24-29 (TLB)
This "skeptic" went on to serve the Lord Jesus on this earth till the day he was martyred. When the Lord comes back, he will reign with Christ, judging one of the tribes of Israel.
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Nice seeing you too, Doomar. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
Genetic Literacy Project |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2011 : 02:41:04 [Permalink]
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This "skeptic" went on to serve the Lord Jesus on this earth till the day he was martyred. When the Lord comes back, he will reign with Christ, judging one of the tribes of Israel.
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From being a bitter enemy of X-Men, Magneto actually temporarily became the leader of the School for Gifted Children and X-Men.
Many fictional stories have people in them redeeming themselves in the eyes of the reader. The authors made the stories that way, so what's your point Doomar? |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2011 : 16:03:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by sailingsoul
You are a theist parasite, Doormar. The world and this forum both have to many Charltans puking forth Bible quotes, just like you.
To Bad that your parents also didn't practice the Bible that you pathetically quote and obviously failed to practice too!
Psalm 137:9 (KJV) “Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” SS
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Hey SS. Can you cool it on the personal attacks please? |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
Genetic Literacy Project |
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the_ignored
SFN Addict
2562 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2011 : 19:16:56 [Permalink]
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Yeah, ouch. That was a little too far. If Doomar was saying stuff like this guy then yeah, I'd see that.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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sailingsoul
SFN Addict
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Posted - 08/08/2011 : 06:12:48 [Permalink]
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OK.SS
Edit: I removed it
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There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS |
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf
USA
1487 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2011 : 15:40:51 [Permalink]
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I just read this thread and my impression from the first post was "troll alert". And then came the Bible quotes and talk of a christ that seriously tarnished any credibility of Doomar being at all interested in skepticism. A cursory skeptical look Christianity shows that its foundation is based on a Neolithic Age campfire story, Genesis, complete with contradictory creation stories, a talking snake, a magical fruit tree of knowledge (clearly a metaphor and not a real deciduous tree), and an immature psyco god.
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Proposed name change for website
