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the_ignored
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Posted - 08/22/2009 : 07:49:55 [Permalink]
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Whoops, Gee...Looks like I pissed off MrMannn.
He claims I don't support free speech, yet he doesn't see fit to publish my comment, or to furnish a link over here. Though he at least mentions the site.
| The Ignored is a typical liberal in that he cannot tolerate any opposing points of view. Those who disagree with him are not worthy of free speech. |
Care to back that statement up since you're the one doing the censoring on your blog?
Typical religious reich...whine about how the "liberals" are against things like free speech, yet in the same breath (or blog post, as the case may be) show how hypocritical you are by doing the very actions that you accuse "the libs" of doing.
| As to comments, I love them, but they have to be outstanding or especially sniveling for me to publish. Unfortunately, the great Ignored failed on both accounts, so no soup for you. However you did inspire an entire essay, as you personify the liberal argument-which is to shout down all opposition, and belittle those who disagree. So I hope you feel a little better. |
"Shout down the opposition"? You sodding liar! If you had actually published my post, your readers would see that I asked you to come over here and defend what you said.
How in hell is that "shouting you down"? What bloody planet do you live on??
Mannn, we post almost anything here...who do you think really supports free speech? Take a look at your Rapture Ready site for instance. It's pretty easy to get banned there if you don't toe the party line.
You all remember what I said to him...where in my asking him to defend his quotemining over here, or in my original post, did anyone get the impression that I was against free speech?
Remember: In the original video Frank had said that one of the good things about his gov't system was that people like that woman DO have freedom of speech, yet he's not under any obligation to talk with such a wackjob as her.
His twitter status says that he deals with a liberal on a "Barney Frank love thread"?
The fuck? We just agree with the guy's actions in dealing with some stupid loon who, like Mr. Mann, compares Obama's health care reform to the fuckin' Nazis!
 I have no idea really how good or bad it'll be, as I've said before, but shit...I'm pretty sure it doesn't involve gas chambers.
Let the brave MrMannn come over here and try to justify his brainless statements since that great supporter of free speech won't allow dissenting comments on his blog.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
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> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 08/22/2009 : 09:47:47 [Permalink]
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Ah well, Ig. It's the same as it ever was. Hypocrites like Mannn are a dime a dozen. He's a common armchair blowhard who will not dare to subject his claims to any opposing scrutiny, while all the time whining about how "liberals" want to shut him up, with no evidence to support that claim, as you have demonstrated. He's just another chicken shit blowhard with nothing real to offer but his droppings. Whatever his politics are, he has shown what he is made of. The internet if filled with cowardly blogger's.
It's good that you invited him over here though. Maybe one day one of those people (an honest one) will be secure enough in their beliefs to take on a real challenge. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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the_ignored
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Posted - 08/23/2009 : 07:12:18 [Permalink]
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Well, I tried again...glutton for punishment that I am.
You know, I was an atheist for a long time, but I never developed the outright contempt for believers that I have now until I started to talk with them on their forums...
Keep the comments coming, I love em!
No you don't...otherwise you'd have published mine.
Instead, you prevent my comment from being shown, then accuse <b>me</b> of trying to stifle the views of those I disagree with.
Howsabout you post my original comment, and let your readers decide if my asking you to come over to our forums to defend your views counts as being "not worthy of free speech" or stifling dissent?
By banning my comment and then outright lying about what I've said, you show yourself to be both a liar and hypocritical when it comes to free speech.
Typical evangelical: Over the years, I've learned never to expect anything else from people like you. |
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
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> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 08/23/2009 : 09:33:50 [Permalink]
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The redoubtable Mr. Mann has been surreptitiously visiting us? That would be excellent, if we haven't already scared him off.
Mr. Mann, should you read this, I assure you that you will be not only permitted but encouraged to say anything that comes to mind. Indeed, if this is denied you, I will personally and vigorously rise to your defense. This forum welcomes all thought, and that is as it should be; must be.
But of course, come here with honest intent and sound argument.....
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Posted - 08/23/2009 : 13:20:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
But of course, come here with honest intent and sound argument.....
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(Emphasis above mine)
Sorry, filthy... but I think you just lost him.
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 08/23/2009 : 14:44:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by filthy
But of course, come here with honest intent and sound argument.....
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(Emphasis above mine)
Sorry, filthy... but I think you just lost him.
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Yes, that is the sticky bit, isn't it? 
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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the_ignored
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Posted - 08/23/2009 : 16:21:54 [Permalink]
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Well, here's his latest excuse, though at least he unintentionally showed that I am not against free speech after all...
I keep getting comments demanding that I debate with them. Debate is NOT the reason I started this blog. My Blog is a series of essays about truth, and I will not debate truth. Blogs are free, Nothing prevents you from opening your own blog, linking to mine and debating in that form. I may or may not acknowledge your blog, but thats the net.
I don't care how much you whine. Deal with it. |
I wonder if he's smart enough to realize that basically, that's what we've been doing?
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 08/23/2009 : 20:14:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by me
And now there's another example of a woman telling a Jew that national health care is a Nazi policy.
What's worse is that the guy complains that he'd spent two hours in an ER and was charged $8,000 for it, and the woman goes "oh, boo-hoo" and pretends she's crying.
If this is the level of debate that the Republicans want, I bet the rest of us can do it better. |
Kristine has a lot more on this, including the woman trying to justify herself.
More importantly, Kristine has found indications that Republicans are now saying that the deathers and the screamers at town hall meetings are all Democrat plants, and not actually extremist conservatives or LaRouchies or other nutjobs. Unbelievable. |
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Evidently, I rock!
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Rubicon95
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/24/2009 : 09:39:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by marfknox
It was an ultimately lame response because he didn't even bother to even point out that her comparison of policies was inaccurate. |
But "what planet are you living on?" is a common euphemism for "what you just said is total bullshit."
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I'm not a Barney fan but he was dead on with his retort. The question/statment/bile that was posed didn't merit any qualified response.
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the_ignored
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Posted - 09/01/2009 : 16:13:39 [Permalink]
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Turns out that this brainless ranting against healthcare reform is nothing new at all.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 09/06/2009 : 01:22:30 [Permalink]
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The video at this post shows how Senator Al Franken handled a group of teabaggers. Franken was able to calm them down and feed them some sweet reason. Even if he didn't change many of their minds, he may have neutralized some of their fears and loudness. Bear in mind, this was a different group of protesters than that which Congressman Barney Frank faced, and the two men have different speaking skills and styles as well.
Franken shows a great deal of knowledge and patience, though his comedic skills don't show through at all.
Hat tip to PZ Myers.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 09/06/2009 : 01:42:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by me
And now there's another example of a woman telling a Jew that national health care is a Nazi policy.
What's worse is that the guy complains that he'd spent two hours in an ER and was charged $8,000 for it, and the woman goes "oh, boo-hoo" and pretends she's crying.
If this is the level of debate that the Republicans want, I bet the rest of us can do it better. |
Kristine has a lot more on this, including the woman trying to justify herself.
More importantly, Kristine has found indications that Republicans are now saying that the deathers and the screamers at town hall meetings are all Democrat plants, and not actually extremist conservatives or LaRouchies or other nutjobs. Unbelievable.
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As far as I can discover, the Nazis had no government-run or -regulated universal health care system for their citizens.
(The Nazis did have the usual medical care for serving members of their military, and they enacted standards for public health in water and product quality. Some of these regulations, like their autobahns, were actually world-class.)
So much for being able to compare Obama's evolving health care system to the Nazis. It would be like comparing apples to an empty fruit basket.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 09/06/2009 : 08:16:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
As far as I can discover, the Nazis had no government-run or -regulated universal health care system for their citizens.
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So much for being able to compare Obama's evolving health care system to the Nazis. It would be like comparing apples to an empty fruit basket. |
It's not actually the care they're worried about, it's the cost-savings. Congresspeople were saying "we have to reduce the cost of Medicare," and the reactionaries are assuming that the only way to do that is by limiting care. See an earlier post for the LaRouche angle:They say we need to limit Medicare expenditures in order to reduce the deficit. That's the origin of this policy. This is the T4 policy, the Hitler policy in 1939, when he said certain lives are not worth living; certain people, we should not spend the money to keep them alive. |
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Evidently, I rock!
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the_ignored
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Posted - 09/11/2009 : 05:45:35 [Permalink]
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For a different, and non-messed up opposing view of Obama's plan:
But what Obama proposed is what we're living through in Massachusetts. And it's, at best, a modest improvement--it's more 'chang-iness' than significant change.
Having a limited public option that only applies to the most desperate (most people won't be able to join if they wanted to) screws over lower-middle class and middle class. |
One commentator notes:
More people are covered than before in the Mass. system - that is progress.
The current Mass. system is better than before (IMHO) and the proposed Obama system will be better than the status quo.
They are not going to get it perfect (or even get it right) the first time, but it is time to change the current non-working system.
Who knows the RepubliCANTS might even contribute a thought eventually. |
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Barney Frank smacks down anti-health care idiot
