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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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 Posted - 03/08/2010 : 15:52:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
A good book but: it is never going to convince a single denier(I'm not sure it was meant too, but it seems to me he should have tried to aim it that way a little). |
I'm going to gently, tentatively, and somewhat uncertainly disagree with this.
I don't think it's possible to persuade true deniers themselves with any evidence. They are simply not interested in evidence, but only in the control of their flocks.
The every best we can do as critical thinkers is to erode the supporting demographic base away from such deniers. The constant worry of fundy leaders is the way their educated young people are leaving the evangelical movement in droves. Ken Ham, in fact, has addressed this "problem," but doesn't have any practical answer.
I think that these smart young people who are breaking their Biblical literalism programming, and other young people who were never so programmed, should be the major target of scientific and critical thinking evangelists. Lay out the evidence and discuss it. That works for smart people. Nobody does that better than Richard Dawkins.
Eventually, I think, the New Atheists and other pro-science people will knock enough of the human props out from beneath the theocrats that their movement will become a mere nuisance. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2010 : 17:41:50 [Permalink]
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I completed reading The Greatest Show on Earth a few weeks ago.
Like Dude, I sometimes found Dawkins' sudden changes of subject narratively jarring.
Given that the evidence for evolution comes from so many widely disparate fields of science, I have no idea how Dawkins could have done much better than he did in presenting the evidence. At least it all is logically held together by leading to the conclusion that evolution happened, is happing, and will continue to happen as long as life exists.
Perhaps even the jarring transitions of narrative themselves actually serve to hammer home how many fields of science support the fact of evolution. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2010 : 01:59:59 [Permalink]
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I just got this book as a birthday present. I'll start reading it soon.
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2010 : 02:07:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
I just got this book as a birthday present. I'll start reading it soon. |
Happy birthday!
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"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2010 : 03:32:48 [Permalink]
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| Yeah, Happy Birthday, Mab! |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2010 : 10:40:07 [Permalink]
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| Thanks. I was planning on keeping a low profile, but the book (and my awesome wife (I'm a lucky man)) spoiled it. |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder. |
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
 Posted - 04/06/2010 : 13:29:41 [Permalink]
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Well the Forums page gives it away.
Happy birthday to Machi4velli to! |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2010 : 13:57:32 [Permalink]
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| Happy Birthday, Mab and Mach!!! |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf
USA
1487 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2010 : 14:08:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
Well the Forums page gives it away. |
Perhaps if I changed my SFN forum birthday to today's date after every login. 
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