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marfknox
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Posted - 08/27/2009 : 17:06:38 [Permalink]
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| To Humbert - oh why don't you just go buy that book "Eats, Shoots, and Leaves" and go feel self righteous about it. *JOKING* ;-) |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 08/27/2009 : 17:07:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
To Humbert - oh why don't you just go buy that book "Eats, Shoots, and Leaves" and go feel self righteous about it. *JOKING* ;-)
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I already own it. 
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the_ignored
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Posted - 08/27/2009 : 18:19:28 [Permalink]
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Sputter...what?!
| I respectfully disagree. I know this has been "the conservative way" for years and years: take the higher road, turn the other cheek, etc. But now, this country is in the fight of its life - a fight for the very principles of this American nation |
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 08/27/2009 : 18:46:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by the_ignored
Sputter...what?!
| I respectfully disagree. I know this has been "the conservative way" for years and years: take the higher road, turn the other cheek, etc. But now, this country is in the fight of its life - a fight for the very principles of this American nation |
Damn, I just ran out of irony meters...
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Hilarious! If the "high road" of "the conservative way" (of bigotry, wars, screaming lies and theocracy) has been too touchy-feely, one wonders what "Rational Thought" wants the diminishing ranks of increasingly isolated and maniacal losers to try in the future.
When people point out to a street preacher that his rhetoric isn't effective because it's unconnected to reality, he can either reconsider and try to adapt his preaching to be more effective, or just scream louder and more threateningly, with even more flying spittle.
Rational Thought goes for the second "solution". Indeed, this is the suicidal death spiral the Right has been engaged upon, especially since Obama was elected. Good luck with that, fools.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 08/28/2009 : 07:08:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Billy, just listen to yourself. Its comical!
You say Kennedy:
1. Walked by houses he could have used to call for help.
2. Found his way back to a party and GOT HELP.
3. He intentionally let the girl die.
Because a dead girl is so much less damaging to your political career than a girlfriend/affair!
Just how fucking retarded are you?
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I am surprised that you are having so much trouble following along. OK not really. Let me take you through the time line one more time.
| " Kennedy then requested the keys to his car from his chauffeur, Crimmins. Asked why he did not have his chauffeur drive them both, Kennedy explained that Crimmins along with some other guests "were concluding their meal, enjoying the fellowship and it didn't appear to me necessary to require him to bring me back to Edgartown".[4] |
1. This is were Teddy leaves the party with his girlfriend.
| Kopechne told no one that she was leaving with Kennedy, and left her purse and hotel key at the party.[5] |
2. She did not need her keys or purse because they planned on returning after their trip to lovers lane.
| "Christopher "Huck" Look was a deputy sheriff working as a special police officer at the Edgartown regatta dance that night. At 12:30 am he left the dance, crossed over to Chappaquiddick in the yacht club's launch, got into his parked car and drove home. He testified that between 12:30 and 12:45 am he had seen a dark car containing a man driving and a woman in the front seat approaching the intersection with Dike Road. The car had gone first onto the private Cemetery Road and stopped there. Thinking that the occupants of the car might be lost, Look had gotten out of his car and walked towards it. When he was 25 to 30 feet away, the car started backing up towards him. When Look called out to offer his help, the car took off down Dike Road in a cloud of dust.[6] Look recalled that the car's license plate began with an "L" and contained the number "7" twice, both details true of Kennedy's 1967 Oldsmobile Delmont 88." |
3. Yep, parked at lovers lane. But as a married and powerful US senator he could not be caught drunk at lover's lane with, well, his lover, so he bolted like greased lighting.
| "In addition to the working telephone at the Lawrence Cottage, according to one commentator, his route back to the cottage would have taken him past four houses from which he could have telephoned and summoned help; however, he did not do so.[9] The first of those houses, referred to as "Dike House", was only 150 yards away from the bridge, and was occupied by Sylvia Malm and her family at the time of the incident. Malm later stated that she had left a light on at the residence when she retired for that evening.[10]" |
4. He is already in damage control mode. He walks right right past houses where he could have called in those who were trained in water rescue and who actually had diving gear (but this would have got the police involved and brought his drunken affair to the headlines) or he could go back to the party and get his friends to help him rescue Mary Jo. They could then payoff Mary Jo, or threaten her into silence, say the car was stolen and ditched to the cops, and two weeks from now Ted and all his buddies can be sitting at the Yacht Club drinking a nice stiff one laughing about the wild night that crazy Kennedy drove his car into the Atlantic, and he would still be on track to run for the white house. His plan crashed hard of course when they could not rescue her. Now he is screwed. He gambled and lost.
| "According to Kennedy's testimony, Gargan and party co-host Paul Markham then returned to the pond with Kennedy to try to rescue Kopechne. Both of the other men also tried to dive into the water and rescue Kopechne multiple times.[1] When their efforts to rescue Kopechne failed, Kennedy testified, Gargan and Markham drove with Kennedy to the ferry landing, both insisting multiple times that the accident had to be reported to the authorities.[11]" |
5. Here Kennedy wagers that he can go get his friends and they can rescue Mary Jo and none of this will ever become public knowledge rather then stop at the houses and call actual water rescue people who could been there in minutes with actual diving gear, but this means the drunken affair will be exposed. He lost the wager. This is manslaughter at best and murder at worst.
| "Back at his hotel, Kennedy complained at 2:55 am to the hotel owner that he had been awoken by a noisy party.[3] |
6. Here Ted's hangover obviously is already kicking in, plus how can he think up his story he will tell the police with all that racket on top of his pounding headache.
| By 7:30 am the next morning he was talking "casually" to the winner of the previous day's sailing race, with no indication that anything was amiss.[3]" |
7. More evidence that Ted had a major concussion and had no idea what he was doing debunking the myth that this was all about Kennedy protecting his hide. *sigh*
| "At 8 a.m., Gargan and Markham joined Kennedy at his hotel where they had a "heated conversation." According to Kennedy's testimony, the two men asked why he hadn't reported the accident. Kennedy responded by telling them "about my own thoughts and feelings as I swam across that channel ... that somehow when they arrived in the morning that they were going to say that Mary Jo was still alive".[14] The three men subsequently crossed back to Chappaquiddick Island on the ferry, where Kennedy made a series of phone calls from a payphone by the crossing to his friends for advice; he again did not report the accident to authorities.[3]" |
7. In his desperation to save himself he has delusioned himself to think there must be someway he can get through this without it going public.
"Earlier that morning, two amateur fishermen had seen the overturned car in the water and notified the inhabitants of the cottage nearest to the pond, who called the authorities at around 8:20 am.[15] A diver was sent down and discovered Kopechne's body at around 8:45 am.[16] The diver, John Farrar, later testified at the inquest that Kopechne's body was pressed up in the car in the spot where an air bubble would have formed. He interpreted this to mean that Kopechne had survived for a while after the initial accident in the air bubble, and concluded that
“ Had I received a call within five to ten minutes of the accident occurring, and was able, as I was the following morning, to be at the victim's side within twenty-five minutes of receiving the call, in such event there is a strong possibility that she would have been alive on removal from the submerged car.[9] ”
Farrar believed that Kopechne "lived for at least two hours down there."[17] |
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8. More proof that had Kennedy just reported the accident right away this girl could be alive today. The diver who pulled the body from the scene believes the girl was alive in the submerged car up to two hours. In other words had Kennedy just taken the man's route and called the authority's from the houses at the crash there is a very real chance this girl would be alive today. But that would have exposed the drunken affair so Kennedy decide to gamble and try to rescue the girl himself with his friends without getting the police involved. He/she lost the wager.
| "Police checked the car's license plate and saw that it was registered to Kennedy.[1] When Kennedy, still at the pay phone by the ferry crossing, saw that the body had been discovered, he crossed back to Edgartown and went to the police station; Gargan simultaneously went to the hotel where the Boiler Room Girls were staying to inform them about the incident.[3]" |
9. He knows now that the jig was up. Time to start operation damage control.
At 10 am Kennedy entered the police station in Edgartown, made a couple of phone calls, then dictated a statement to his aide Paul Markham, which was then given to the police. The statement ran as follows:
“ On July 18, 1969, at approximately 11:15 p.m. in Chappaquiddick, Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, I was driving my car on Main Street on my way to get the ferry back to Edgartown. I was unfamiliar with the road and turned right onto Dike Road, instead of bearing hard left on Main Street. After proceeding for approximately one-half mile on Dike Road I descended a hill and came upon a narrow bridge. The car went off the side of the bridge. There was one passenger with me, one Miss Mary [Kopechne],[18] a former secretary of my brother Sen. Robert Kennedy. The car turned over and sank into the water and landed with the roof resting on the bottom. I attempted to open the door and the window of the car but have no recollection of how I got out of the car. I came to the surface and then repeatedly dove down to the car in an attempt to see if the passenger was still in the car. I was unsuccessful in the attempt. I was exhausted and in a state of shock. I recall walking back to where my friends were eating. There was a car parked in front of the cottage and I climbed into the backseat. I then asked for someone to bring me back to Edgartown. I remember walking around for a period and then going back to my hotel room. When I fully realized what had happened this morning, I immediately contacted the police.[19] |
10. After time to sober up he finally owns up by having a prepared statement read, just as OJ did.
| Under Massachusetts law Boyle, having found "probable cause" that Kennedy had committed a crime, could have issued a warrant for his arrest, but he did not do so.[33] District Attorney Dinis chose not to pursue Kennedy for manslaughter, despite Judge Boyle's conclusions. |
11. Really, no manslaughter charges despite the conclusions? It's almost as if him being a powerful US senator and a Kennedy got some strings pulled for him.
Pete Rose bet on baseball. Everyone knows Pete bet on baseball even though Pete refused to admit this for years and years. Finally after thinking he had a shot at getting into the hall of fame he acknowledged that he did bet on baseball. He is still not in the hall.
OJ carved up his wife and friend. Everyone knows OJ carved them up even though OJ refuses to admit this. OJ will probably go to his grave refusing to acknowledge what we already know.
Ted Kennedy wagered any real chance at rescuing his girlfriend in a desperate bid to save his own hid. Everyone knows Ted wagered her life and lost even though Ted refuses to admit this. Ted did go to his grave refusing to acknowledge that which we already know. |
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Here ya go Bill: this oughta warm the crockles of your warm, little heart. It's about another Republican's dealings with Kennedy -- enjoy!
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/28/2009 : 08:59:08 [Permalink]
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Bill, I notice that in your last response you merely repeated old arguments that you've already made and that I and other people countered without responding to my counters. To remind you:
-You have absolutely no proof that Kennedy was drunk. You are just assuming that based I guess on the fact that he was at a party.
-You have merely circumstantial evidence that there was any kind of affair going on - the citing of a parked car and Mary Jo forgetting her keys and purse. (And based entirely on this you persist in tarnishing this dead woman's reputation by calling her his "girlfriend."
And then you get really stupid:
| 4. He is already in damage control mode. He walks right right past houses where he could have called in those who were trained in water rescue and who actually had diving gear (but this would have got the police involved and brought his drunken affair to the headlines) or he could go back to the party and get his friends to help him rescue Mary Jo. They could then payoff Mary Jo, or threaten her into silence, say the car was stolen and ditched to the cops, and two weeks from now Ted and all his buddies can be sitting at the Yacht Club drinking a nice stiff one talking about the wild night that crazy Kennedy drove his car into the Atlantic, and he would still be on track to run for the white house. His plan crashed hard of course when they could not rescue her. Now he is screwed. He gambled and lost. |
At this point he could call authorities, have her rescued, and simply state that he was giving her a ride. There was no concern of being caught having an affair because him getting into a car crash with her in his car doesn't by itself incriminate him as having an affair.
| 6. Here Ted's hangover obviously is already kicking in, plus how can he think up his story he will tell the police with all that racket on top of his pounding headache. |
From here on you describe his behavior as highly irrational, including admitting he had a concussion and was delusional. So again I ask you - which is more likely: that Ted Kennedy was a psychotic personality who was acting purely on the motivation to cover his ass, or that Ted Kennedy was a relatively normal human in the aftermath of a horrific accident involving an acquaintance. Nobody here is saying the guy wasn't acting irrationally, had a concussion, or was behaving as if he were delusional. But you are the only one claiming that his motivations were malicious. How does the same person go from being that fanatically lacking in basic compassion to being the sort of Senator who works his ass off for decades to help every day Americans? Did he have a split personality?
I'm also still waiting for you to respond to my last response to your other idiotic statement, such as that as a Kennedy he was guaranteed to win elections despite that fact that other Kennedys and other members of famous political families have not automatically won elections.
Are you so much of a self righteous curmudgeon that you can't admit that despite his flaws, the USA was better with Kennedy than without him. Can we not celebrate the accomplishments of people who did great things just because they are also flawed?
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Bill scott
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Posted - 08/28/2009 : 09:05:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Here ya go Bill: this oughta warm the crockles of your warm, little heart. It's about another Republican's dealings with Kennedy -- enjoy!
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Wow!. That is just another example of how far these jokers will go to hold on to, or obtain, power.
Dick with his wild antics of trying to trap Ted.
Ted willing to wager another persons life to preserve his shot at the white house.
Challenger or incumbent, pub or dem, because of their track records these guys are assumed guilty by me until they can prove otherwise.
It's as if we accept the person being an outright scumbag as long they are sitting on our side of the isle.
Both sides do it and do it all to often.
The loser here is of course the voters as we end up with major scumbags who lack basic human standards filling up seats on both sides of the isle.
The pub and dem backers then argue back and forth on who's scumbags are the scummiest.
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Kil
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Posted - 08/28/2009 : 09:08:16 [Permalink]
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You know, based on how other republicans are taking the death of Teddy Kennedy, and Bill's obsession with Chappaquiddick, I would say that this is more of the whacked religious right view (being a group that likes to sugar coat their hate group mentality by beleiving that they, and only they, know the mind of God) than anything else. They feel free to judge, which Bill is certainly doing. Kennedy wasn't only a liberal, but also a Catholic. The only thing worse he could have been is gay (he wasn't) or a murderer, which is the case that Bill feels the need to believe. He is just following the script of the largest hate group in the country.
So yeah, Bill really is a one trick pony. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 08/28/2009 : 09:58:12 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by marfknox |
| Bill, I notice that in your last response you merely repeated old arguments that you've already made and that I and other people countered without responding to my counters. |
No I tweaked them to help dude follow along. He was having trouble keeping up.
| -You have merely circumstantial evidence that there was any kind of affair going on - the citing of a parked car and Mary Jo forgetting her keys and purse. (And based entirely on this you persist in tarnishing this dead woman's reputation by calling her his "girlfriend." |
I would agree that when examined on their own merit each individual point is circumstantial. But when you add up all the circumstantial evidence you get a clear picture of a rather disturbing Kennedy. A real "coward and jerk" I would say. Many non US senators without the name Kennedy have been convicted on far less.
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| At this point he could call authorities, have her rescued, and simply state that he was giving her a ride. |
Unless he was having a drunken affair.
| There was no concern of being caught having an affair because him getting into a car crash with her in his car doesn't by itself incriminate him as having an affair. |
But when you add this to all the other circumstantial evidence it leaves a very incriminating picture of Teddy.
| From here on you describe his behavior as highly irrational, including admitting he had a concussion and was delusional. |
I never admitted any such thing. For a highly delusional guy he made it back to the party to get his friends just fine. He took his friends back to the crash sight just fine. He made it back to the hotel just fine. He had a perfectly coherent conversation with the hotel manager just a few hours after the incident just fine. He had a perfectly coherent conversation with a fellow yacht member at 7:30 the next morning just fine. He is calling his friends on the phone asking for advise on what to do just fine. There is nothing delusional about his actions at all. This is just the way I would expect someone who is trying to save his own ass would act.
| So again I ask you - which is more likely: that Ted Kennedy was a psychotic personality who was acting purely on the motivation to cover his ass, or that Ted Kennedy was a relatively normal human in the aftermath of a horrific accident involving an acquaintance. |
Based on all the evidence, that Ted Kennedy was a psychotic personality who was acting purely on the motivation to cover his ass,
| Nobody here is saying the guy wasn't acting irrationally, |
He appears to act irrationaly for someone with nothing to hide. He appears to be acting rather rational to me for someone who is in the middle of trying to save their own ass.
| had a concussion, or was behaving as if he were delusional. |
He claims he was delusion to cover up the fact that he waited 10 hours to call the police. His actions, as I have shown, do not show him to be delusional.
| But you are the only one claiming that his motivations were malicious. How does the same person go from being that fanatically lacking in basic compassion to being the sort of Senator who works his ass off for decades to help every day Americans? Did he have a split personality? |
Easily. He just got away with murder, or at least manslaughter. I really don't think these guys work their ass off in the senate. If so Ted should come out and work at my factory for a spell and then he will know what work is. Nope he lead a cushioned and privileged life that most can only dream of. Yachts, big houses, drivers, free health care, month long vacations etc... My heart is not bleeding for Ted Kennedy.
| I'm also still waiting for you to respond to my last response to your other idiotic statement, such as that as a Kennedy he was guaranteed to win elections despite that fact that other Kennedys and other members of famous political families have not automatically won elections. |
I never said Ted was guarteened any election, that I recall. He felt he had a good chance and Dick Nixon felt he had a good chance as well. It was no slam dunk though.
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Kil
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Posted - 08/28/2009 : 10:06:04 [Permalink]
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Bill:
I really don't think these guys work their ass off in the senate. If so Ted should come out and work at my factory for a spell and then he will know what work is. Nope he lead a cushioned and privileged life that most can only dream of. Yachts, big houses, drivers, free health care, month long vacations etc... My heart is not bleeding for Ted Kennedy.
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What they say was special about Kennedy is he really did work his ass off in the Senate. But what is more telling in the above quote is your bigotry. Just because rich people don't have to work their asses off, doesn't mean that some don't. But hey, it's no surprise that you would once again try to diminish his accomplishments. One way or another, eh? |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 08/28/2009 : 10:32:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
You know, based on how other republicans are taking the death of Teddy Kennedy, and Bill's obsession with Chappaquiddick, I would say that this is more of the whacked religious right view (being a group that likes to sugar coat their hate group mentality by beleiving that they, and only they, know the mind of God) than anything else. They feel free to judge, which Bill is certainly doing. Kennedy wasn't only a liberal, but also a Catholic. The only thing worse he could have been is gay (he wasn't) or a murderer, which is the case that Bill feels the need to believe. He is just following the script of the largest hate group in the country.
So yeah, Bill really is a one trick pony.
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The dude wagered with his girlfriends life in order to save his own ass and lost when she had a real chance of being saved that night. If you can gloss this over simply because he lead a privileged life in the senate and voted the way you may have voted then you are no bleeding heart liberal. You just wallow in the same political partisanship that Ted did. If you can overlook the killing of young women simply because the guy votes the way you want him to then that is just sick. And shows the sad state of affairs that can be found in our political system. |
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Posted - 08/28/2009 : 10:52:49 [Permalink]
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Billy Billy Billy..... You really are an imbecile, aren't you?
You are saying thet Kennedy wanted to cover up something, so he left a woman to die. As if covering up a death would be easier than covering up an affair and/or car crash!
He's a fucking Kennedy! Money, power, powerful friends. If the girl had been alive don't you think he could have brushed the whole thing under the rug, so to speak, much easier, if that had been his intent?
Your imbecilic claim that he would let a person die to cover up an affair (as if an affair is worse than being involved in a death) proves that you are the delusional one.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 08/28/2009 : 10:54:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Bill:
I really don't think these guys work their ass off in the senate. If so Ted should come out and work at my factory for a spell and then he will know what work is. Nope he lead a cushioned and privileged life that most can only dream of. Yachts, big houses, drivers, free health care, month long vacations etc... My heart is not bleeding for Ted Kennedy.
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What they say was special about Kennedy is he really did work his ass off in the Senate. But what is more telling in the above quote is your bigotry. Just because rich people don't have to work their asses off, doesn't mean that some don't. But hey, it's no surprise that you would once again try to diminish his accomplishments. One way or another, eh?
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| What they say was special about Kennedy is he really did work his ass off in the Senate. |
By the size of his gut and chin I would say that eating his ass off sounds more like it
| But what is more telling in the above quote is your bigotry. |
Oh no, here we go with the bigotry card again.
| Just because rich people don't have to work their asses off, doesn't mean that some don't. |
Now I am bigoted against rich people? Oh brother. Now come on Kil, your a contractor and you know what it is like to make a buck out in the real world. I am a working man myself. Ted Kennedy was born into a privileged family, he rode his brothers coattails right into the US senate, he races Yachts for Pete's sake. I don't know how one working man can look another working man in the eyes and say with a straight face that TK worked his ass off. LOL!!!!! It's physically imposable to work your ass off when your as plump as he was. People who work their ass off don't end up looking like the Michelin Man. It just don't happen. People who lead a life of comfort and ease do.
| But hey, it's no surprise that you would once again try to diminish his accomplishments. One way or another, eh? |
I never diminished his accomplishments. He did that rather well all on his own. |
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marfknox
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Posted - 08/28/2009 : 11:07:51 [Permalink]
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Bill wrote:
Challenger or incumbent, pub or dem, because of their track records these guys are assumed guilty by me until they can prove otherwise. |
What track record? Chappaquiddick is the only thing in Ted Kennedy's track record that you've brought up!
| His actions, as I have shown, do not show him to be delusional. |
You have stated several times that you think he was delusional! The difference is that you claim his delusion was that he believed he could get away with it. Other people find it just as plausible that he was temporarily deluded into thinking the accident wasn't a big deal/that Mary Jo was already being saved by his friends.
| I really don't think these guys work their ass off in the senate. If so Ted should come out and work at my factory for a spell and then he will know what work is. |
Yeah, and I guess the founding fathers weren't doing any real work when they were writing the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Hemmingway and Tolstoy were such lazy shits, sitting around writing their silly little novels. Picasso and his silly paintings. Martin Luther King and his speeches. Everybody knows that brain work isn't really work.
Look, if you are going to piss all over politicians just for being politicians, you are basically promoting either anarchy or some other system of governance which you have yet to explain. So what's the deal, Bill? Do you consider our whole system of governance in this country bullshit, and if so, what do you propose as a better alternative? I'm not saying that our current system is perfect or even great, but since I can't think of a better one off hand, I'm going to celebrate the good things which are accomplished under our current system.
| Nope he lead a cushioned and privileged life that most can only dream of. Yachts, big houses, drivers, free health care, month long vacations etc... |
It's all relative, Bill. You apparently have the leisure time to spend on this forum, access to Internet, and I'm imagining lead a pretty typical American lifestyle. You ever wonder what the average American lifestyle looks like to the average Ethiopian?
| My heart is not bleeding for Ted Kennedy. |
Nobody's asking your heart to bleed. My heart isn't bleeding for him either. People on this forum are simply acknowledging a huge list of accomplishments which benefit real Americans in many clear and tangible ways. |
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Ted Kennedy has died
