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Ricky
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Posted - 09/20/2009 :  18:28:07   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here maybe?

Larry Lomax, the registrar of voters in Las Vegas, says he believes 48% of Acorn's forms "are clearly fraudulent."


If that's the case, I can't begin to explain the many ways, "How about the 48% voter fraud rate that they hold," is wrong.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/20/2009 :  18:44:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Ricky

If that's the case, I can't begin to explain the many ways, "How about the 48% voter fraud rate that they hold," is wrong.
Yeah, Bill has been indoctrinated to think that fraudulent voter registration forms are the same thing as fraudulent votes, even though none of the dead people or pets or wholly fictional people will ever show up to vote.

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Dude
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Posted - 09/21/2009 :  05:58:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The funniest part of the whole conservative hardon for ACORN is that ACORN is who discovered and reported the fraudulent registration forms to the proper authorities. They weren't caught out by some third party (like faux "news" would have you believe). So none of the fake forms were ever actually processed. Because of ACORN thousands of fraudulent registrations never happened!

Why do you hate an organization that works so hard to preserve the integrity of the electoral process Bill? Are you some sort of vote supressing communist?

The only plausible reason left for conservatives to hate them is that they register people who vote democrat.


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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/21/2009 :  07:15:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ed Brayton points out that the recently passed laws defunding ACORN may be unconstitutional bills of attainder. Maybe. Perhaps.

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podcat
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Posted - 09/21/2009 :  09:05:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send podcat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
See also:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909160028


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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/21/2009 :  09:17:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by podcat

See also:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909160028
Good one. What would you bet that Bill believes that ACORN staffers murder their spouses?

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marfknox
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Posted - 09/21/2009 :  16:30:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tell Me More did an extensive interview with Bertha Lewis, the CEO of ACORN. You can either listen to it or read the transcript: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113026773

They invited O'Keeffe the filmmaker, but he declined an interview.

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Kil
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Posted - 09/21/2009 :  17:25:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by marfknox

Tell Me More did an extensive interview with Bertha Lewis, the CEO of ACORN. You can either listen to it or read the transcript: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113026773

They invited O'Keeffe the filmmaker, but he declined an interview.
A filmmaker declining an interview on NPR? I'll bet that's some kind of first.

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Hal
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Posted - 09/22/2009 :  12:15:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Hal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sometimes, the more you look, the less you find.

Police: ACORN worker in video reported couple

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Simon
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Posted - 09/22/2009 :  13:02:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So, the latest evidence was that this employee was just pretending to play along while discretely contacting the police? how evil of him.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/22/2009 :  14:46:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Simon

So, the latest evidence was that this employee was just pretending to play along while discretely contacting the police?
Well, no, according to the story, he waited two days before contacting the cops. He got fired, and rightly so.

A story over a week ago on NPR said that one ACORN worker had contacted the cops while the "pimp and prostitute" were still in the office, and I don't think that person wound up in any of the videos being aired these days. The one thing that the "pimp" doesn't seem to want to give up are the videos in which the ACORN workers weren't idiots, which just goes to prove how much of a manufactroversy this really is, and how intentionally dishonest the conservative film-maker is being.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/22/2009 :  19:09:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just to beat the dead horse one last time:

The AIG bailout cost every man, woman and child in the US about $400.

The GM bailout cost everyone about $167.

Blackwater cost each one of us about $3.33.

ACORN's per-capita cost was about 6.7 cents.

Which one did Bill complain about?

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moakley
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Posted - 09/22/2009 :  19:40:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Just to beat the dead horse one last time:

The AIG bailout cost every man, woman and child in the US about $400.

The GM bailout cost everyone about $167.

Blackwater cost each one of us about $3.33.

ACORN's per-capita cost was about 6.7 cents.

Which one did Bill complain about?
Well, if you were to spend 6.7 cents here and 6.7 cents there pretty soon you'd be talking about real lunch money.

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podcat
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Posted - 09/26/2009 :  17:45:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send podcat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Now here's something interesting about the legislation passed that defunds ACORN: It's probably unconstitutional.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt5heDbjz84

Article 1 of the Constitution states that bills of attainder are banned, meaning Congress can't pass any legislation directly targeting a single person or a specific group.

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