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the_ignored
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 Posted - 09/26/2009 : 17:47:27
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From a Texas "pro-life" page...over population myths.
I don't know enough of statistics or whatnot to examine this. Originally found on our old friend JD Curtis page, who's quoting from a WND 'article'.
For anyone wondering why I put "pro-life" in quotes, it's because I find religous "pro-lifers" to be the biggest moral hypocrites out there...they decry abortion, yet they have no problem with their god killing kids and pregnant women.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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 Posted - 09/26/2009 : 19:08:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by the_ignored
For anyone wondering why I put "pro-life" in quotes, it's because I find religous "pro-lifers" to be the biggest moral hypocrites out there...they decry abortion, yet they have no problem with their god killing kids and pregnant women. |
I try not to use that term without quotes, myself. If it weren't such an awkward mouthful, I'd use something like "priestly control of womens' bodies" instead.
The point that the US population would be declining without immigration is probably correct. (God bless immigrants!) Does that mean women (or men) should have no control over their own reproduction?
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Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Randy
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 09/26/2009 : 19:31:36 [Permalink]
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| Just a thought...wonder how many miscarriages ('god-must-have-done-did-it' abortions) there are each year? |
"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."
"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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Ricky
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the_ignored
SFN Addict
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Posted - 09/26/2009 : 21:00:05 [Permalink]
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That I knew; I was referring just to the bare statistics that the article quoted about being able to fit all the population into Jacksonville. I was wondering about the accuracy of that original claim itself.
It seems hard to swallow for me. I know that they know that they're not taking food, water, and sanitary facilities etc. into account.
I think though that by just focussing on what their article mentioned; they're hoping that everyone will just assume that there will therefore be "living space" for all those people, since after all, all the people can fit standing in just a small space.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
| Edited by - the_ignored on 09/26/2009 21:04:24 |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 09/26/2009 : 21:05:41 [Permalink]
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The first problem is that the latest numbers they use are from 1999. And, of course, nobody could possibly life in the conditions that they stipulate. Sure, if every man, woman and child spent their entire lives in their own 33x33 plot of land, we could cram all those plots inside of Texas and have room left over. But there couldn't be roads, utilities, schools, shops, police and fire stations, etc..
They're talking about a population density of 10,764 people per square kilometer. There are only 4 incorporated places in the U.S. with population densities higher than that (all in New Jersey, but part of the New York Metro area), and only 1 major metropolitan area overall (New York, of course). In fact, only three boroughs of New York City surpass 10,764 people/km2 (Manhattan, Brooklyn and the Bronx). Friendship Village, a "census-designated place" in Maryland (part of the DC Metro area) has the highest population density of anywhere in the U.S., with 31,657 people/km2, but it's just a tiny set of high-rise buildings with only 4,512 people within a space which, if it were square, wouldn't even be 400 m on a side.
Internationally, the city of Dhaka, Bangladesh, has a population density of an amazing 45,508 people/km2. That's 234.6 ft2 per person, or a square a little bigger than 15x15. Unfortunately, Wikipedia only lists the top 50 cities proper by population density, but the 50th highest-density incorporated area, Khardaha, India, has a density of 16,953 people/km2. I haven't heard of most of these cities, most of them appear to be in India, and even outside of India, most of them aren't capital cities.
But even the people who created that page say that they can't assume that such high population densities would be livable. And it seems the most densely packed places don't actually feed themselves within the same area.
And the problem has never been our current population, but where the trend is heading 50 or 100 years from now, including where the food is going to come from. But the authors have a much more detailed page on the food problem, which I don't have time to examine right now. |
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bngbuck
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Posted - 09/26/2009 : 23:48:00 [Permalink]
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| Example #2 - Lets say we give all 6 billion people on the planet 1,000 square feet each, did you realize that they all would fit very easily into the state of Texas (with over 1,300 billion square feet left over!). |
Best idea I ever heard for improving the politics of the state of Texas! |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 09/27/2009 : 02:39:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by the_ignored
For anyone wondering why I put "pro-life" in quotes, it's because I find religous "pro-lifers" to be the biggest moral hypocrites out there...they decry abortion, yet they have no problem with their god killing kids and pregnant women.
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Don't forget to mention Capital Punishment.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/27/2009 : 02:41:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Randy
Just a thought...wonder how many miscarriages ('god-must-have-done-did-it' abortions) there are each year?
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More than 50% of all fertilized eggs are spontaneously aborted.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 09/27/2009 : 03:00:37 [Permalink]
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What a load of crap. But he's right about one thing; there would be little food shortage. Everybody could eat long pig.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/27/2009 : 09:09:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Randy
Just a thought...wonder how many miscarriages ('god-must-have-done-did-it' abortions) there are each year?
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I'm not sure about Mab's 50% number, but I recall reading something on the subject not very long ago that said 1/3.
So there are 6 billion people in the world (more or less). Half are women. Lets say 1/3 of those are of child bearing age. Lets say that 25% of those women are pregnant once a year. Lets say that 1/3 of the pregnant women will spontaneously abort.
228,310 spontaneous abortions per day ever since our population broke the 6billion mark.
Even if my number are way off (they almost certainly are), the number of spontaneous abortions in a single year is more than all the abortions ever done by humans in the history of the race.
God is, apparently, trying to wipe us out via some form of fetal genocide!
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 09/27/2009 : 11:32:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
I'm not sure about Mab's 50% number, but I recall reading something on the subject not very long ago that said 1/3. |
I was pretty sure I read it in Wikipedia, but now then I'm skimming through the miscarriage article, I'm reading 25+8=33%.
Of course, it also depends on the age of both the man and the woman trying to produce offspring. (That the male's age was a factor is news for me)
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