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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 10/05/2009 : 04:00:46
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A Handy Guide for the Incomplete IDiot who wants to become a Complete One.
Whilst searching for my morning bracer of gibberish, I happened across this:
How to become IDer in two weeks
niwrad
This opportunity is dedicated to Darwinists/evolutionists or any ID denier who sincerely desire to become convinced IDer but failed the target until today. It is a great opportunity that unfortunately Darwin could not get at his times (you will understand why at the end).
First off, no worry the method is entirely free of charge. No books of ID theorists to buy. No lectures or schools are requested. No need to travel or participate to meetings. You can stay quietly where you are now, before the screen of your computer.
Some analyses have shown that the difficulty of understanding ID and its concepts (CSI, IC, etc.) consists in the following aspects. (1) Usually people simply look at the complex systems (where CSI, IC … are) in a passive manner, without any active stance. For example biologists look at the biological realities but they don’t try to construct them (yes I know genetic engineering tries to do something like that but one cannot say properly that it starts from nothing). To look at is too easy. (2) Reading ID books or attending lectures sure can help yes but also here the participation is passive, no warranty that at the end a real understanding was achieved. To read and hear is too easy. (3) To discuss ID/evo issues with friends, colleagues and debaters can help but often is counterproductive: each one remains on his position, even more convinced than before, given that discussion may invigorate one’s wrong convictions. To discuss is too easy. (4) To study complex systems (both the artificial and natural ones) can help but again a thing is to study, another thing is to construct them. To study is too easy. (5) To write documents, articles, peer reviewed papers and whatever about complex systems can help (it is sure more demanding than to read, speak or discuss) but however it remains always the possibility that one continues to believe that such systems can evolve after all. To write is too easy.
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Evidently, lots of ID stuff is too easy. I'm inclined to agree. It's way too easy to just say some sort of Great Mojo done it!" and go off on speculations of what is, basically, human designs to back up the point. Futilely, I might add.
Anyhoo: Of course a good example of design would be engineering in all its specialties. Unfortunately almost all fields of engineering are inaccessible to laymen for many reasons. But the good news is that there is a field that is theorically [sic] and practically available (at least at a basic level) to almost all people (or at least to scientific-minded people as most ID deniers are): computer science. Our suggested patent-pending method to become IDer is based on computer programming. Developing programs gives ID refuters a lot of advantages to learn ID.
(1) Computer programming is an activity where, differently from literature, philosophy, journalism and so on, a severe control overarches [sic] all the design cycle. In programming errors matter, also the minor ones are never condoned. This is good discipline for the student, to be always forced to correct his errors. If you write a book filled with errors, no worry, it will be published the same. If you write a program with one error nothing works. This is the difference between storytelling and programming. Usually there are at least two kinds of control or filter: at the compilation time and a run-time. Any program works only if it passes the two filters. Extremely useful is to try to find the causes of a failure or wrong behavior of your program. In programming you will always face this hard reality: you are the only source of all functional bits.
(2) Computer programs don’t arise by unguided evolution. They entail CSI and only intelligence can create CSI. Whether software were generable [sic] by mean of randomness and machines, software houses wouldn’t need to pay legions of expensive programmers. When you are programming you see directly your intelligence at work. Eventually other programmers can help you but no other unintelligent thing can do the job for you.
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Now, I'm not too smart, but even I can see that fiddle-fuckin' around with computers has nothing to do with the universe or the Theory of Evolution. All it does is teach one something about programming, which is a good thing, but not the answer to any ID question. It is, again, merely another example of design by a clever primate that wanted more easily accessible porn couldn't leave well enough alone. Such is the history of that primate's species and such it will remain. And that too, is a good thing.
The straws they grasp are becoming ever more frangible.
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Paulos23
Skeptic Friend
USA
446 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2009 : 05:22:13 [Permalink]
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| Oddly, most computer programmers (i.e. software engineers), that I know, are too smart to fall for this. |
You can go wrong by being too skeptical as readily as by being too trusting. -- Robert A. Heinlein
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley |
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the_ignored
SFN Addict
2562 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2009 : 05:32:27 [Permalink]
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Well, my comment's being held for moderation, which is more than I usually get over there:
First off, what do computer languages have to do with biology?
Secondly, if one "wants" to become an IDist, all one needs is to be shown the actual evidence for it. You know, like as was promised here, or here?
As an aside, if you people are going to keep saying that ID is not religious, then why have articles like <b>Hatred of Religion By Materialists More Virulent Than Previously Thought Possible</b> in your sidebar, eh?
Aren't you people all about the "science" without having anything to do with "religion"? That's what you keep telling the courts...of course in your own writings it's a different story... |
Something that's really messed up, look what they say at the end of that "article":
Update: As I write this 27 comments have been made. As I expected, the materialists have stood by their man Seversky, mainly by advancing patently absurd interpretations of his comments. And they've even attacked me, also as expected. Pathetic. Again, I was tempted to delete their comments, but I will not. Instead, I will leave their moral squalor on display for all to see.
41 comments now and still not one materialist has condemned Seversky's views. Astounding. |
Look at what this idiot ignores more than once?
Of course, this is how the post is defended...
Fortunately, some people are smart enough to shoot that bullshit down.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
1992 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2009 : 08:31:15 [Permalink]
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| Computer programs don’t arise by unguided evolution. They entail CSI and only intelligence can create CSI. Whether software were generable [sic] by mean of randomness and machines, software houses wouldn’t need to pay legions of expensive programmers. When you are programming you see directly your intelligence at work. Eventually other programmers can help you but no other unintelligent thing can do the job for you. |
I am actually fairly certain that 'evolving software' ARE a growing means of programming; but more knowledgeable people can comment on this better than me. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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astropin
SFN Regular
USA
970 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2009 : 09:59:40 [Permalink]
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"How to become an IDcreationist in two weeks."
Step 1) Remove Brain |
I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.
You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.
Atheism:
The result of an unbiased and rational search for the truth.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
 Posted - 10/05/2009 : 10:40:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by astropin
"How to become an IDcreationist in two weeks."
Step 1) Remove Brain
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But first, one must locate said brain. In many if not all cases, this might prove an insurmountable hurdle. It ain't easy to qualify for True IDiot.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Hawks
SFN Regular
Canada
1383 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2009 : 12:42:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by astropin
"How to become an IDcreationist in two weeks."
Step 1) Remove Brain
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Won't work I'm afraid. The mind is not the brain, alledgedly. |
METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL
It's a small, off-duty czechoslovakian traffic warden! |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2009 : 15:56:25 [Permalink]
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Originally quoted by filthy
[O]nly intelligence can create CSI. |
This is the unsupported premise of the whole argument. If it's false, then ID is worthless. If it's true, then either the natural world is chock-full of CSI (in which case ID would have merit) or CSI is absent in biology (in which case ID is again worthless), but we'll never know because nobody has ever calculated the CSI of any microbe, creature or even protein. The only times that a CSI calculation has been attempted, it's always been with the idea that amino acids or DNA bases get thrown together completely randomly (the proverbial tornado in a junkyard), which we know is false. |
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How to become an IDcreationist in two weeks.
