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the_ignored
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 Posted - 11/22/2009 : 18:48:19
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This telegraph writer has quite a claim here:
| If you own any shares in alternative energy companies I should start dumping them NOW. The conspiracy behind the Anthropogenic Global Warming myth (aka AGW; aka ManBearPig) has been suddenly, brutally and quite deliciously exposed after a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (aka Hadley CRU) and released 61 megabites of confidential files onto the internet. (Hat tip: Watts Up With That) |
The first link in the quoted section doesn't work, the second one (the one I put in) does.
So, we'll just wait and see how this turns out.
I guess that this site is what's supposed to have been hacked.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
Edited by - the_ignored on 11/22/2009 18:51:07
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 11/22/2009 : 23:33:16 [Permalink]
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Since the deniers have bugger-all else, they are gloating over (and inflating the importance of) this act of privacy invasion.
I suppose there will be a few instances where scientists, having let down their hair in what they thought were private emails to friends, will be "caught" saying intemperate things. And there almost certainly will be utter forgeries, hoaxes contrived to condemn scientists. But, as RealClimate sums it up:| More interesting is what is not contained in the emails. There is no evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to ‘get rid of the MWP’, no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the falsifying of data, and no ‘marching orders’ from our socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords. The truly paranoid will put this down to the hackers also being in on the plot though. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 11/23/2009 : 05:50:00 [Permalink]
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And yet.... and yet I still read of the permanent snow cap on the Matterhorn diminishing, the glaciers shrinking, the Arctic and Antarctic ice packs dissolving, and the fire ants and the armadillos marching north. Somebody is full of shit and I don't think it's the science.
What baffles me is, why deny that science? To what end? Where is the profit? Or are they doing this, as I rather suspect, just to fluff their flaccid egos? I dunno -- perhaps it is the climate version of teabagging and the idiots are simply displaying their ignorance, as teabaggers are so wont to do.
But y'know, if somebody intercepts and opens a letter not addressed to them, everybody would be screaming for his scalp; yet these thieves receive applause. They must all be conservative Republicans.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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14408 Posts |
 Posted - 11/23/2009 : 08:41:55 [Permalink]
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On a related matter:
Oceans rising faster than expected as climate change exceeds grimmest models
By The Associated Press
Monday, November 23rd, 2009 -- 8:46 am
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Warming exceeds grimmest climate models
Since the 1997 international accord to fight global warming, climate change has worsened and accelerated — beyond some of the grimmest of warnings made back then.
As the world has talked for a dozen years about what to do next, new ship passages opened through the once frozen summer sea ice of the Arctic. In Greenland and Antarctica, ice sheets have lost trillions of tons of ice. Mountain glaciers in Europe, South America, Asia and Africa are shrinking faster than before.
And it's not just the frozen parts of the world that have felt the heat in the dozen years leading up to next month's climate summit in Copenhagen:
_ The world's oceans have risen by about an inch and a half.
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And furthermore:
London, England (CNN) -- A possible rise in sea levels by 0.5 meters by 2050 could put at risk more than $28 trillion worth of assets in the world's largest coastal cities, according to a report compiled for the insurance industry.
The value of infrastructure exposed in so-called "port mega-cities," urban conurbations with more than 10 million people, is just $3 trillion at present.
The rise in potential losses would be a result of expected greater urbanization and increased exposure of this greater population to catastrophic surge events occurring once every 100 years caused by rising sea levels and higher temperatures.
The report, released on Monday by WWF and financial services Allianz, concludes that the world's diverse regions and ecosystems are close to temperature thresholds -- or "tipping points."
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Any one of these surge events could unleash devastating environmental, social and economic changes amid a higher urban population.
According to the report, carried out by the UK-based Tyndall Centre, the impacts of passing "Tipping Points" on the livelihoods of people and economic assets have been underestimated.
Global temperatures have already risen by at least 0.7 degrees Celsius and the report says a further rise by 2-3 degrees in the second half of the century is likely unless deep cuts in emissions are put in place before 2015.
The consequent melting of the Greenland and the West Antarctic Ice Shield could lead to one such tipping point scenario, possibly a sea level rise of up to 0.5 meters by 2050.
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Getting nervous yet?
Being able to set a trotline in your back yard only looks good in print. In reality, it would suck bait.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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and Crypto-Communist!
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 11/23/2009 : 11:55:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
What baffles me is, why deny that science? To what end? Where is the profit? Or are they doing this, as I rather suspect, just to fluff their flaccid egos? I dunno -- perhaps it is the climate version of teabagging and the idiots are simply displaying their ignorance, as teabaggers are so wont to do. |
I think that the reason is that millions upon millions is being spent by the oil and coal industries (and the auto companies) simply in order to extend by a few years, even a decade or two, the billions in profits being made by burning fossil fuels.
They know their free ride is inevitably going to become bumpy, and they find it cheaper to spread millions around to a handful of corrupt scientists, media talking head blowhards, politicians and hackers, than to begin spending the many, many billions that it would take them to transform their industries.
Millions spent to delay spending billions makes short-term economic, if not ethical or long-term economic, sense. What they are doing is maintaining good corporate quarterly reports.
That this is at the expense of the entire earth and possibly even of their corporate survival in the long term is of no importance to them. They are getting theirs now. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/23/2009 : 14:05:41 [Permalink]
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Agree, but their CEOs are not down in the street protesting, no. They're exerting pressure behind the scenes with thinly disguised bribes and so forth. It is actual people that are shouting nonsense. Doesn't anybody check the facts anymore -- rhetorical question; when did anybody ever? 
It is said that: "Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day; give a Congressman a fish and you will be fed at least until the next election." This leaves the guy in the street out in the drought and yet he still disses the science.
Go figger....
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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and Crypto-Communist!
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Dave W.
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Posted - 12/06/2009 : 07:38:35 [Permalink]
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Nature has an editorial about the stolen emails. Included is this wonderful paragraph:A fair reading of the e-mails reveals nothing to support the denialists' conspiracy theories. In one of the more controversial exchanges, UEA scientists sharply criticized the quality of two papers that question the uniqueness of recent global warming (S. McIntyre and R. McKitrick Energy Environ. 14, 751–771; 2003 and W. Soon and S. Baliunas Clim. Res. 23, 89–110; 2003) and vowed to keep at least the first paper out of the upcoming Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Whatever the e-mail authors may have said to one another in (supposed) privacy, however, what matters is how they acted. And the fact is that, in the end, neither they nor the IPCC suppressed anything: when the assessment report was published in 2007 it referenced and discussed both papers. In other words, the climate-change denialists have learned from the evolution denialists in the movie Expelled that it's only important to claim that scientists who fail to follow the "party line" are being suppressed, even if it never actually happened.
Of course, what's really funny is how, quite often, both groups will deride scientists in general as being on the take or as "silly men in white coats," but then complain about this alleged suppression of scientists. It is inconsistency taken to a high level of art. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/06/2009 : 08:27:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Nature has an editorial about the stolen emails. Included is this wonderful paragraph:A fair reading of the e-mails reveals nothing to support the denialists' conspiracy theories. In one of the more controversial exchanges, UEA scientists sharply criticized the quality of two papers that question the uniqueness of recent global warming (S. McIntyre and R. McKitrick Energy Environ. 14, 751–771; 2003 and W. Soon and S. Baliunas Clim. Res. 23, 89–110; 2003) and vowed to keep at least the first paper out of the upcoming Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Whatever the e-mail authors may have said to one another in (supposed) privacy, however, what matters is how they acted. And the fact is that, in the end, neither they nor the IPCC suppressed anything: when the assessment report was published in 2007 it referenced and discussed both papers. In other words, the climate-change denialists have learned from the evolution denialists in the movie Expelled that it's only important to claim that scientists who fail to follow the "party line" are being suppressed, even if it never actually happened.
Of course, what's really funny is how, quite often, both groups will deride scientists in general as being on the take or as "silly men in white coats," but then complain about this alleged suppression of scientists. It is inconsistency taken to a high level of art.
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Yes, and they often do it on computers after they have driven their cars home from work, and have sat down to watch a little television whilst they're at it. 
Here, once again, if someone could show empirically and beyond doubt that climate change, assisted by our activities, is not happening, he/she would receive so many awards and accolades that keeping track of them would be a daunting task.
But no worries, that won't happen.... Oh wait, that's cause for even more worries! 
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Global warming hoax? (not from FOX)!
