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cantbe323
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Our climate is already changing, particularly in the Arctic where permafrost is melting, glaciers are receding, and sea ice is disappearing. >>
Last night The history channel showed tapes of thousands of ice bergs breaking loose every year, and there was far to many to make an accurate count or prove other data.
Who are you going to believe, a scientist with his reputation on the line, of actual tapes?
I'm still waiting for a meteorologist of note to let the world know what the working base line F or C temperature is.
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filthy
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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/15/2010 : 18:42:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
Last night The history channel showed tapes of thousands of ice bergs breaking loose every year, and there was far to many to make an accurate count or prove other data.
Who are you going to believe, a scientist with his reputation on the line, of actual tapes? |
Who are you going to believe, a TV channel with its advertising income on the line, or a scientist who has to beg for money to get any work done?
And this is the second time that you've claimed that "actual tapes," videos for which you have not a clue regarding their origin or custody, have some sort of evidential import, while at the same time claiming that "true science" is a naive empiricism. You're nothing if not massively inconsistent.| I'm still waiting for a meteorologist of note to let the world know what the working base line F or C temperature is. |
Thus demonstrating your ignorance of the evidence already publicly available for a science for which you claim there's not enough evidence to decide. Why would you wait for knowledge which is widely available? Do you need to have all your data spoon-fed to you? |
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cantbe323
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Posted - 02/15/2010 : 18:53:24 [Permalink]
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Over the past century, Earth's average temperature has risen by about 1 degree Fahrenheit and many scientists believe greenhouse gases and carbon dioxide emissions from human activities are to blame.
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Means nothing without a world wide (including both poles) standard baseline F or C temperature to refer to, and they refuse to reveal it.
You really can't blame them for being overprotective because it could mean a loss of their fragile reputations and respectibility if they're proven wrong.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/15/2010 : 18:56:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
...and they refuse to reveal it. |
Not even the staunchest anti-warmingist would make such an utterly false claim.| You really can't blame them for being overprotective because it could mean a loss of their fragile reputations and respectibility if they're proven wrong. |
How would the revelation of a "base line" temperature prove or aid in proving them wrong? |
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 02/16/2010 : 01:27:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
Our climate is already changing, particularly in the Arctic where permafrost is melting, glaciers are receding, and sea ice is disappearing. >>
Last night The history channel showed tapes of thousands of ice bergs breaking loose every year, and there was far to many to make an accurate count or prove other data.
Who are you going to believe, a scientist with his reputation on the line, of actual tapes?
I'm still waiting for a meteorologist of note to let the world know what the working base line F or C temperature is.
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So only random tape footage and other anecdotal "evidence" counts for you, not the carefully collected, collated and analyzed data from highly trained and experienced climate scientists?
For the sake of argument let's make the remarkable assumption that footage from entertainment channels are evidence. Then what are scientists and their organized data, chopped liver?
But I honestly don't believe for a second that you think this way. I think you're just another low-life Internet troll, playing mind games, fueled by inflated and unearned self-regard. Otherwise, I'd be forced to think you were willfully ignorant, crazy, or stupid, which would be even worse. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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filthy
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Posted - 02/16/2010 : 04:15:54 [Permalink]
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Are you gleaning these references, Cantbe323 -- rhetorical question -- I'd bet a Benjamin against a bent nickle that you haven't opened the first of them. A pity, really; they're quite informative and you might have learned a little about the topic.
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But I honestly don't believe for a second that you think this way. I think you're just another low-life Internet troll, playing mind games, fueled by inflated and unearned self-regard. Otherwise, I'd be forced to think you were willfully ignorant, crazy, or stupid, which would be even worse. |
I favor the second option. It fits most anti-science cretins like a glove.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Fripp
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Posted - 02/16/2010 : 09:27:41 [Permalink]
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Last night The history channel showed tapes of thousands of ice bergs breaking loose every year
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Heck, that's good enough for me. The earth's NOT warming. Thanks for the info. |
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Fripp
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Posted - 02/16/2010 : 09:31:55 [Permalink]
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I'm still waiting for a meteorologist of note to let the world know what the working base line F or C temperature is.
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This quote is remarkably similar to either BigBrain, Jerome, or one of the other trolls. |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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filthy
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Posted - 02/16/2010 : 09:50:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Fripp
I'm still waiting for a meteorologist of note to let the world know what the working base line F or C temperature is.
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This quote is remarkably similar to either BigBrain, Jerome, or one of the other trolls.
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Heh, and we might remind that a TV meteorologist is not a climate scientist. If they were, they would not be wasting their time on the boob toob.
At least Bigbrain and Jerome would argue before going insane. It seems that cantbe doesn't know how.
If he had opened the links I've so generously provided, he might have found something to argue with.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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ThorGoLucky
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Posted - 02/16/2010 : 18:39:19 [Permalink]
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I finally delved into learning more about climate change and posted a section at Debunkatron. The day I added the Climate Change (Global Warming) Denial section, I get rants from a denier. Perhaps he didn't like that I put it in the Conspiracy section. 
Bob Armstrong wrote:
Odd to see your gullibility on the AGW idiocy in the middle of your extensive list of appropriately recognized fads and fallacies in the name of Science . If you want me to believe in the face of all the absurdities , exaggerations and dishonesties continually being exposed , show me the physics . I have the basic StefanBoltzmann+Kirchhoff relationship implemented for gray bodies on my website . Those calculations leave 8c warming over the temperature of a uniform gray sphere in our orbit . Please point me to a quantitative explanation of that 8c . |
I checked out Bob's website http://CoSy.com/ and he is not a climatologist.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/16/2010 : 22:53:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ThorGoLucky
I checked out Bob's website http://CoSy.com/ and he is not a climatologist. |
Nor is he much of an anything-ologist. He boldly states that "I will not consider fluid motion of the atmosphere..." and goes on to ignore pretty much all aspects of the atmosphere, focusing instead on nothing more than the emissivity and reflectivity of uniformly gray balls, which are obviously a poor model for the planets he examines. And when the model fails to replicate reality, instead of blaming his crappy model, he blames the climate scientists. |
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filthy
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Posted - 02/18/2010 : 07:38:35 [Permalink]
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I recall mentioning the Great Ocean Conveyor not too long ago. Well, here it is in action!
"This is the first time we've seen waters this warm in any of the fjords in Greenland," says Straneo. "The subtropical waters are flowing through the fjord very quickly, so they can transport heat and drive melting at the end of the glacier."
Greenland's ice sheet, which is two-miles thick and covers an area about the size of Mexico, has lost mass at an accelerated rate over the last decade. The ice sheet's contribution to sea level rise during that time frame doubled due to increased melting and, to a greater extent, the widespread acceleration of outlet glaciers around Greenland.
While melting due to warming air temperatures is a known event, scientists are just beginning to learn more about the ocean's impact -- in particular, the influence of currents -- on the ice sheet.
"Among the mechanisms that we suspected might be triggering this acceleration are recent changes in ocean circulation in the North Atlantic, which are delivering larger amounts of subtropical waters to the high latitudes," says Straneo. But a lack of observations and measurements from Greenland's glaciers prior to the acceleration made it difficult to confirm.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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cantbe323
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Posted - 02/18/2010 : 14:24:51 [Permalink]
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"This is the first time we've seen waters this warm in any of the fjords in Greenland," says Straneo. >>
Your assessment would hold more water, Straneo, if you would let the rest of the world know what your baseline high temperature is, then you could actually prove it's warmer than it was before, not just take your word for it... Show us. Don't tell us...
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Posted - 02/18/2010 : 14:38:30 [Permalink]
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I'm still waiting for a meteorologist of note to let the world know what the working base line F or C temperature is. >>
Thus demonstrating your ignorance of the evidence already publicly available >>>
If you know where to find the base line temp, please let me know. I've checked every source I can think of.
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David Brin on Climate Change "Deniers & Skeptics"
