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filthy
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 Posted - 02/25/2010 : 03:28:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
Until some supporting information is produced, mere opinion falls into the same category as antidotes. Anecdotes are not conformation of anything but the teller's ability to speak, and are therefore worthless as any sort of evidence. >>
Oh, I don't know about that... IMO, Many scientists have been lauded and even given Nobel prizes for theories with no demonstrable, credible evidence, just their exalted words.
Back in the early fifties, Dave and I sneaked into a huge UFO meeting in LA. All the famous scientists were there. One scientist got up and made a long speech about dietetics, used the word several times, and the silent audience of scientists just nodded.
Another scientist finally corrected him. "You mean Dianetics, don't you professor...?"
The speaker smiled, continued his speech with the corrected word.
We looked at each other in disbelief, shrugged, and quietly left.
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My point is made, and I'm calling bullshit. L Ron Hubbard published his guide to complete idiocy in 1950, but even at that early date, it is doubtful that there were any actual scientists in the audience. But I must ask: if these "scientists" were famous, who were they? Give us some names. Also, what do Dianetics have to do with UFOs -- apart from it being beneficial to wear a tinfoil hat when discussing either, that is?
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Fripp
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Posted - 02/25/2010 : 03:54:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
Many scientists have been lauded and even given Nobel prizes for theories with no demonstrable, credible evidence, just their exalted words.
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For example?
All the famous scientists were there.
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All of them? Ahh yes, the "famous" scientists. Such as? |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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cantbe323
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Posted - 02/25/2010 : 13:48:16 [Permalink]
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Back in the early fifties, Dave and I sneaked into a huge UFO meeting in LA. All the famous scientists were there. One scientist got up and made a long speech about dietetics, used the word several times, and the silent audience of scientists just nodded.
Another scientist finally corrected him. "You mean Dianetics, don't you professor...?"
The speaker smiled, continued his speech with the corrected word.
We looked at each other in disbelief, shrugged, and quietly left.
cantbe323 >>
My point is made, and I'm calling bullshit. L Ron Hubbard published his guide to complete idiocy in 1950, but even at that early date, it is doubtful that there were any actual scientists in the audience. But I must ask: if these "scientists" were famous, who were they? Give us some names. Also, what do Dianetics have to do with UFOs >>
Nothing, and that's the point. Scientists listening to nonsense and
pretending to understand, or maybe in states of shock like those who claimed to see UFOs.
The meeting was supposed to be for astrophysical scientists, according to the article in the LA Times, but non-scientists could easly crash the party... We did.
I tried Dianetics myself, but couldn't reach any of the total recall states.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/25/2010 : 15:01:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
All the famous scientists were there...
Scientists listening to nonsense... |
Seriously: name one.
The "point" cannot be made by relying on fiction. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 02/25/2010 : 16:23:18 [Permalink]
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| The meeting was supposed to be for astrophysical scientists, according to the article in the LA Times, but non-scientists could easly crash the party... We did. |
astrophysicists were at a conference concerning UFOs and L. Ron's bullshit? Why do I find that so difficult to accept?
References please...
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Posted - 02/26/2010 : 12:06:22 [Permalink]
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The meeting was supposed to be for astrophysical scientists, according to the article in the LA Times, but non-scientists could easly crash the party... We did. >> cantbe323
astrophysicists were at a conference concerning UFOs and L. Ron's bullshit? Why do I find that so difficult to accept? >>
UFOs were a big thing back then and concerned astrophysical scientists probably wanted to prove or disprove it. Of course Dianetics was a destraction, but things like that always happen at large gatherings, especially in Lalawood.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/26/2010 : 12:23:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
The meeting was supposed to be for astrophysical scientists, according to the article in the LA Times, but non-scientists could easly crash the party... We did. >> cantbe323
astrophysicists were at a conference concerning UFOs and L. Ron's bullshit? Why do I find that so difficult to accept? >>
UFOs were a big thing back then and concerned astrophysical scientists probably wanted to prove or disprove it. Of course Dianetics was a destraction, but things like that always happen at large gatherings, especially in Lalawood.
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References, please. And as I recall, out topic is Paleontology.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/26/2010 : 20:37:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
UFOs were a big thing back then and concerned astrophysical scientists probably wanted to prove or disprove it. |
So you've gone from "all the famous scientists" to just some anonymous astrophysicists, and you are now busy inventing ("probably") motivations for these alleged scientists to have been at a UFO meeting.| Of course Dianetics was a destraction... |
Not if, as you alleged, they were all nodding in agreement. Why are you back-pedaling so furiously?| ...but things like that always happen at large gatherings, especially in Lalawood. |
So you say, but you can't name a single scientist who was there, can you? Come on! Hell, Einstein was only 71 in 1950, and was surely a very famous scientist at the time. Was he there? |
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filthy
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Posted - 02/27/2010 : 03:42:08 [Permalink]
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Were any of these famous scientists Paleontologists?
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Posted - 02/27/2010 : 13:29:22 [Permalink]
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Were any of these famous scientists Paleontologists?
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Hell, I don't know. I was just a kid then who believed everything he read in the papers.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/27/2010 : 14:27:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
Were any of these famous scientists Paleontologists?
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Hell, I don't know. I was just a kid then who believed everything he read in the papers.
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And now you are a "toothless, frail, 84 year old man (or is it 83?)" who should know better. Are you sure there were no Paleontologists nodding their heads sagely in the audience? Can you provide reference that such a meeting even took place.
There. Do you now see the problems that using anecdotes can present you?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 03/24/2010 : 09:04:16 [Permalink]
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| From the New York Times' Dot Earth blog,, there is an Aussie now running a site devoted to "getting skeptical about global warming skepticism," with 101 (and counting) arguments and their scientific refutations. Worth a look. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 03/24/2010 : 10:06:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
From the New York Times' Dot Earth blog,, there is an Aussie now running a site devoted to "getting skeptical about global warming skepticism," with 101 (and counting) arguments and their scientific refutations. Worth a look.
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Good stuff. I might use the Aussie site as a pick. Thanks! |
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