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The Rat
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 Posted - 02/23/2010 : 14:21:33
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Although this has no relationship to their ridiculous quackery, I wouldn't bet against the homeoquacks to claim this as 'evidence' for their stupid belief.
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Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.
You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 02/23/2010 : 15:16:38 [Permalink]
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Yup. the homeopaths will almost without doubt try to take credit.
But there's a huge difference between carefully building up tolerance, and using utterly nonexistent amounts of a substance in a homeopathic ritual relying upon "magical thinking."
The scientific clinicians will gradually increase the amount of peanut while observing carefully for ill-effects. Homeopaths actually consider their nostrums to be more potent if they are more diluted. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Bob Lloyd
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Spain
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Posted - 02/25/2010 : 09:53:56 [Permalink]
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Is it true that there was a homeopathic patient who forgot to take his medication and suddenly died of a massive overdose? :)
The UK Science and Technology Committee has just published its Evidence Check on Homeopathy which makes interesting reading. It was tasked with checking that government policy was evidence-based and looked also at whether homeopathy should be funded by the National Health Service.
It hammered homeopathy and said the government should shut down its homeopathic hospitals, stop funding it through the NHS, and that the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency should stop rubber-stamping homeopathic products. All very damning stuff but the UK government will most likely ignore it. On the regulatory bodies associated with quack treatments, there are often representatives from bodies allied to the Prince's Foundation for Integrated Health, which helps promote these quack remedies.
But more importantly, this is an election year for the UK and the politicians, regardless of party, won't let ethical principles, scientific facts, or honesty get in the way of telling fibs to get votes. So they will welcome the report, then quietly bury it. But at least it's published and in the public domain.
I've written about the report here: http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/homeopathy-exposed-in-uk-government-report/ for anyone interested. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 02/25/2010 : 14:45:57 [Permalink]
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| Hey Bob, interesting write up about the report. I posted a link to it on Facebook. Hope you don't mind. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Bob Lloyd
Skeptic Friend
Spain
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Posted - 02/27/2010 : 12:18:05 [Permalink]
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The more the merrier 
The more people who read the report and its conclusions the better though the people most influenced by homeopathic beliefs are those most likely to avoid it.
One good thing is that the report specifically targets therapies based on the placebo effect so it applies equally to Reiki, acupuncture, etc. |
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cantbe323
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Posted - 02/27/2010 : 13:58:09 [Permalink]
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Although this has no relationship to their ridiculous quackery, I wouldn't bet against the homeoquacks to claim this as 'evidence' for their stupid belief. >>
It doesn't matter who suggests it, or what they call it, as long as it works and doesn't hurt. That's the only evidence that counts.
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 02/27/2010 : 15:16:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
Although this has no relationship to their ridiculous quackery, I wouldn't bet against the homeoquacks to claim this as 'evidence' for their stupid belief. >>
It doesn't matter who suggests it, or what they call it, as long as it works and doesn't hurt. That's the only evidence that counts.
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The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley
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AnthroGeek
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USA
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Posted - 02/27/2010 : 16:37:58 [Permalink]
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It doesn't matter who suggests it, or what they call it, as long as it works and doesn't hurt. That's the only evidence that counts.
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seriously?
The evidence that counts is actual efficacy based on scientific methods not testimonials.
By your logic if I sacrifice 3 goats and feel better - as did my neighbors who recomended it - then that is all that matters, as long as I get well.
Also, try looking up "placebo affect".
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The Rat
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 03/29/2010 : 06:58:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bob Lloyd
Is it true that there was a homeopathic patient who forgot to take his medication and suddenly died of a massive overdose?
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Now THAT is one of the funniest things I have ever heard! |
Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.
You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II
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aaron28
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Posted - 04/02/2010 : 16:21:37 [Permalink]
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| That's kind of funny that somebody who forgot to take their medications would overdose trying to catch up. That's actually pretty believable. I'm sure it has happened before. I can name at least ten celebrities who you might believe me if I told you they did it. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 04/02/2010 : 22:19:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by aaron28
That's kind of funny that somebody who forgot to take their medications would overdose trying to catch up. That's actually pretty believable. I'm sure it has happened before. I can name at least ten celebrities who you might believe me if I told you they did it.
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Welcome to Skeptic Friends Network, aaron28!
The joke wasn't about dying of taking too much of a real med to catch up. It's the idea that taking none at all might overdoes you.
The joke works because homeopathic "drugs" are often so diluted that they contain nothing at all but water. These are actually touted by homeopaths as becoming more potent the more they are diluted. Thus, by that logic, taking none at all would logically be an overdose. (Badabing.)
(Gotta watch out for some of the tricksy humorists here at SFN. Some of these bastards try to fool people.) |
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Machi4velli
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 00:53:28 [Permalink]
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