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I used this link on our SFN facebook fan page. I credited you, Starman. Thanks!


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Machi4velli
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Posted - 03/24/2010 :  13:02:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Machi4velli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What the hell is Jean Houston talking about? haha

And Chopra is butchering the observer effect.

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Edited by - Machi4velli on 03/24/2010 13:06:12
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Starman
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Posted - 03/24/2010 :  13:37:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Machi4velli

What the hell is Jean Houston talking about? haha
I think most of what she said got caught in my mental spam filter.

How on earth are Harris and Shermer able to be so calm in face of such obnoxious stupidity from Chopra? Impressive!


Originally posted by Kil

I used this link on our SFN facebook fan page. I credited you, Starman. Thanks!

Better become a fan then. The link was of course stolen from somewhere else. rd.net, I think.

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Kil
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Posted - 03/24/2010 :  13:58:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Starman

Originally posted by Machi4velli

What the hell is Jean Houston talking about? haha
I think most of what she said got caught in my mental spam filter.

How on earth are Harris and Shermer able to be so calm in face of such obnoxious stupidity from Chopra? Impressive!


Originally posted by Kil

I used this link on our SFN facebook fan page. I credited you, Starman. Thanks!

Better become a fan then. The link was of course stolen from somewhere else. rd.net, I think.

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PZ mentioned this yesterday, too.

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Machi4velli
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Posted - 03/24/2010 :  14:42:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Machi4velli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Did Chopra think he proved something by the fact that the physicist uses the concept of infinity?

"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people."
-Giordano Bruno

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Posted - 03/24/2010 :  15:51:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Machi4velli

Did Chopra think he proved something by the fact that the physicist uses the concept of infinity?
I think it's next thing to impossible to determine what people like Chopra are actually thinking.

Chopra's among the "top predators" of the Woos. Such people tend, in my opinion, to have sufficient background to know that what they tell people is untrue.

Much of what such people say seems to be deliberate lies, but the existence of phenomena like cognitive dissonance or Doublethink means that we cannot know if they are believe their own lies, or to what degree they might. (Though maybe in the near future brain scans will be able to more completely resolve thoughts.)

In my opinion, though, people's belief in their own deliberate lies does not make any of them any less a liar. That they may also be suffering from cognitive dissonance is of secondary interest.

Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
Edited by - HalfMooner on 03/24/2010 15:52:42
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Machi4velli
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Posted - 03/24/2010 :  18:43:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Machi4velli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think the "I wouldn't influence as many people as I do I there were nothing to it" comment pretty much proves your point Mooner

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-Giordano Bruno

"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, but the illusion of knowledge."
-Stephen Hawking

"Seeking what is true is not seeking what is desirable"
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