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Starman
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 Posted - 03/31/2010 : 23:05:46
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The teaparty movement has lately been unfairly accused of racism by desperate liberals trying to change the issueBut Dale Robertson, founder of teaparty.org, said no one knows who might have yelled out racial epithets during the Capitol Hill protest. He said a Democratic lawmaker refused to accompany Capitol Police officers to identify a white man accused of spitting.
"These people could be anybody. I wouldn't put it past the Democrats to plant somebody there," Mr. Robertson said. "They're trying to label the tea party, but I've never seen any racial slurs." |
And here is a picture of mr Dale Robertson
Ht: Alan Colmes (Yes, that Alan Colmes)
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Edited by - Starman on 03/31/2010 23:19:08
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 03/31/2010 : 23:58:37 [Permalink]
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| No racists to see here. Keep moving. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/01/2010 : 03:07:54 [Permalink]
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We're not supposed to call these brain-dead, Klan wannabes "Teahaggers," either. I really don't know what else to call them, so "Teabagger" and "Racist" will just have to suffice. After all, they hung those handles on themselves, so I don't see what they have to bitch about.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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 Posted - 04/01/2010 : 03:47:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
We're not supposed to call these brain-dead, Klan wannabes "Teahaggers," either. I really don't know what else to call them, so "Teabagger" and "Racist" will just have to suffice. After all, they hung those handles on themselves, so I don't see what they have to bitch about.
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They definitely called themselves "teabaggers" before anyone else did, in a display of astoundingly poor thinking, and much to the delight of their opponents. Their label, their problem.
"Racist," on the other hand, simply describes them objectively. It's a tag they've fought hard to earn, even if they don't like it. Looks like Dale Robertson painted his own racist sign. Guy can't even spell for shit. |
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podcat
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 04/01/2010 : 20:34:06 [Permalink]
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| If you think about it, if they use racist words in their group all the time, it really doesn't seem racist to them. |
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On fire for Christ
SFN Regular
Norway
1273 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2010 : 20:58:14 [Permalink]
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The word "Nigger" isn't racist in all contexts. For example I just used it in a non-racist way.
Here the man is comparing his situation to a black slave, he feels oppressed, he feels he has been treated unfairly, he compares himself to a slave by using the one word that is synonymous with it, he isn't insulting black people, or using the term to even refer to black people in a derogatory way, he's using it in a historical context, I think that's his intention, given the "Slave Owner" part.
The only way this is perhaps racist is because by comparing his own situation to theirs is completely unbalanced and makes light of their years of oppression. For this is he racist? Or just a bit melodramatic? |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26024 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2010 : 21:38:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
The word "Nigger" isn't racist in all contexts. For example I just used it in a non-racist way. |
It is a racial slur whether you use it as one or are just discussing it. Talking about a piano doesn't make the instrument suddenly stop being a piano.Here the man is comparing his situation to a black slave, he feels oppressed, he feels he has been treated unfairly, he compares himself to a slave by using the one word that is synonymous with it, he isn't insulting black people, or using the term to even refer to black people in a derogatory way, he's using it in a historical context, I think that's his intention, given the "Slave Owner" part.
The only way this is perhaps racist is because by comparing his own situation to theirs is completely unbalanced and makes light of their years of oppression. For this is he racist? Or just a bit melodramatic? |
He's a racist for claiming that he hasn't seen any racial slurs when he had one on his own sign. Which, by the way, he tried to cover up (twice) with piss-poor photo manipulation on his Web site. He knew exactly what sort of stupid thing he'd done, and he's too ashamed to admit that he's left huge racist skid-marks all over the party he helped to start.
And you're not doing yourself any favors by trying to justify his massive PR screw-up, denial and racism with careful semantic games. |
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On fire for Christ
SFN Regular
Norway
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Posted - 04/01/2010 : 21:46:02 [Permalink]
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I never said it wasn't a racial slur, I said the context in which he used it wasn't racist.
Also who's playing "careful semantic games". Considering this is a forum who've had massive debates about the meaning of individual words it surprises me that I should get some kind of warning for being careful with giving my opinion on how words are being used. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 04/01/2010 : 21:49:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
I never said it wasn't a racial slur, I said it wasn't racist. |
Then read the bolded part in the OP again. |
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On fire for Christ
SFN Regular
Norway
1273 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2010 : 21:53:02 [Permalink]
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Yes, now check how many times the word "racist" is used in the thread. My post is relevant.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/01/2010 : 22:04:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
Yes, now check how many times the word "racist" is used in the thread. My post is relevant. |
I didn't say it wasn't relevant, I said it was a bad justification.
Dale Robertson indicated his racism by using a racial slur when he probably could have spelled "slaves" correctly and not stirred up a hornet's nest of criticism, then trying to hide his mistake instead of addressing it head-on, and finally lying when he said he hasn't seen any racial slurs. Or, he's indicating his racism by saying that he doesn't think that the word itself is a racial slur. Or both.
Yes, Mr. Robertson probably did mean his sign to say exactly what you think it says, but that doesn't mean he's not a racist. Wait, that does mean that your post isn't relevant. |
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On fire for Christ
SFN Regular
Norway
1273 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2010 : 22:12:24 [Permalink]
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So saying something isn't a racial slur when it is makes you racist?
Interesting, I would've thought it simply makes you wrong, have you considered the possibility he simply made a mistake? Attempting a cover up shows dishonesty, but racism is still a different kettle of fish. I think people cry foul and throw that word around far too often.
I think this guy is an idiot but nothing he's done seems outright racist to me.
Also bad justification is pretty subjective. I thought my justification was pretty good. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/01/2010 : 22:14:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
I never said it wasn't a racial slur, I said the context in which he used it wasn't racist. |
Nice edit.| Also who's playing "careful semantic games". Considering this is a forum who've had massive debates about the meaning of individual words it surprises me that I should get some kind of warning for being careful with giving my opinion on how words are being used. |
You gave your opinion on how words are being used while trying to defend the person using those words from accusations of racism. Not using a racial slur, but racism.
And the "warning" you got was that your lame defense of Robertson's racism will likely make you look like a racist, too. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/01/2010 : 22:19:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
So saying something isn't a racial slur when it is makes you racist? |
When you're a public figure and political party leader who is denying that racism is endemic in his party? Yes. Yes it does. |
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On fire for Christ
SFN Regular
Norway
1273 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2010 : 22:51:47 [Permalink]
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I disagree, but whatever, and yes it was a nice edit, don't reply so quickly next time, I always edit 2 or 3 times.
| You gave your opinion on how words are being used while trying to defend the person using those words from accusations of racism. Not using a racial slur, but racism. |
That isn't playing games, I made my stance pretty clear.
| And the "warning" you got was that your lame defense of Robertson's racism will likely make you look like a racist, too. |
Lame in your opinion. Also I don't give 2 shits if you guys think I'm racist. You probably thought that already anyway. |
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On fire for Christ
SFN Regular
Norway
1273 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2010 : 23:09:24 [Permalink]
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| seriously though I'm not racist. |
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Stop calling Teabaggers racists !
