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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 04/18/2010 : 10:20:17 [Permalink]
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| That's a good point, MGreen, about not using the Santa myth as a bludgeon to threaten kids. If you choose to let your kids enjoy it, make sure it's purely a positive thing. No threats of coal-fire and darnation. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
USA
1191 Posts |
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Originally posted by MGreen
Alright, so I have read the informative information and I am leaning to the side of still wanting my daughter to believe in Santa. I however do not want to be the parent that says if you aren't good Santa is going to put coal in your stocking and things of that nature. I like most of you want my child to learn about Santa, believe on her own, and at the same time my wife and I teach her the true meaning of christmas.
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Maybe you should read up on the true meaning of christmas first. |
The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley
The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2010 : 12:43:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
Originally posted by MGreen
Alright, so I have read the informative information and I am leaning to the side of still wanting my daughter to believe in Santa. I however do not want to be the parent that says if you aren't good Santa is going to put coal in your stocking and things of that nature. I like most of you want my child to learn about Santa, believe on her own, and at the same time my wife and I teach her the true meaning of christmas.
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Maybe you should read up on the true meaning of christmas first.
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That was a bit garbled, particularly with Mithras being thrown in as if he were a Northern European pagan sun god. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Robb
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 04/18/2010 : 16:06:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
Originally posted by MGreen
Alright, so I have read the informative information and I am leaning to the side of still wanting my daughter to believe in Santa. I however do not want to be the parent that says if you aren't good Santa is going to put coal in your stocking and things of that nature. I like most of you want my child to learn about Santa, believe on her own, and at the same time my wife and I teach her the true meaning of christmas.
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Maybe you should read up on the true meaning of christmas first.
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Oh please. You know as well as I Christians believe the meaning of Christmas is Jesus wae born to be a sacrifice for mans sin. What you stated was more of the origin not the meaning. |
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington |
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
USA
1191 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2010 : 18:49:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by R.Wreck
Originally posted by MGreen
Alright, so I have read the informative information and I am leaning to the side of still wanting my daughter to believe in Santa. I however do not want to be the parent that says if you aren't good Santa is going to put coal in your stocking and things of that nature. I like most of you want my child to learn about Santa, believe on her own, and at the same time my wife and I teach her the true meaning of christmas.
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Maybe you should read up on the true meaning of christmas first.
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Oh please. You know as well as I Christians believe the meaning of Christmas is Jesus wae born to be a sacrifice for mans sin. What you stated was more of the origin not the meaning.
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If the truth about the origin of the holiday demonstrates that there is no factual basis for the portion of the Jesus myth associated with it, then that renders it rather meaningless from that perspective, does is not? |
The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley
The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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Randy
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 04/21/2010 : 19:13:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by R.Wreck
Originally posted by MGreen
Alright, so I have read the informative information and I am leaning to the side of still wanting my daughter to believe in Santa. I however do not want to be the parent that says if you aren't good Santa is going to put coal in your stocking and things of that nature. I like most of you want my child to learn about Santa, believe on her own, and at the same time my wife and I teach her the true meaning of christmas.
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Maybe you should read up on the true meaning of christmas first.
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Oh please. You know as well as I Christians believe the meaning of Christmas is Jesus wae born to be a sacrifice for mans sin. What you stated was more of the origin not the meaning.
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If the truth about the origin of the holiday demonstrates that there is no factual basis for the portion of the Jesus myth associated with it, then that renders it rather meaningless from that perspective, does is not?
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kim jennings
New Member
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Posted - 04/23/2010 : 06:20:41 [Permalink]
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Any good Christian worth his salt would know from the Bible that there can be no justification in supporting the myth of Santa Claus. If you are God-fearing church go-ers, then why not ask your pastor? He can give you the right guidance..and he can convince your wife to be obedient to your wishes in this matter, as the Bible also commands.
I think you are being insincere. Your insistence that we give you "christian" arguments is dsingenuous. This is a skeptical site.
If you are a closet Skeptic, then welcome--and you aheva bigger problemt han how to deal with Santa Claus. If you are just trying to have a little fun with a bunch of dumb heathens, well, shame on you. Better to use your time doing some true mission work at your local soup kitchen. Which is what Jesus would do.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2010 : 14:17:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by kim jennings
Any good Christian worth his salt would know from the Bible that there can be no justification in supporting the myth of Santa Claus. If you are God-fearing church go-ers, then why not ask your pastor? He can give you the right guidance..and he can convince your wife to be obedient to your wishes in this matter, as the Bible also commands.
I think you are being insincere. Your insistence that we give you "christian" arguments is dsingenuous. This is a skeptical site.
If you are a closet Skeptic, then welcome--and you aheva bigger problemt han how to deal with Santa Claus. If you are just trying to have a little fun with a bunch of dumb heathens, well, shame on you. Better to use your time doing some true mission work at your local soup kitchen. Which is what Jesus would do.
Kim
"does your doG bite? That's not my doG."
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Welcome to Skeptic Friends Network, kim jennings! I'm inclined to take, and treat, MGreen's OP on face value, though I too have wondered why a Christian would seek such guidance from a pack of infidels. I could, however, imagine that he's seeking replies from various sources, and comparing them for both helpfulness and civility. (Of course, I'm capable of imagining a lot of stuff.) |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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kim jennings
New Member
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Posted - 04/24/2010 : 09:00:21 [Permalink]
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| Well, if he is indeed sincere, then I apologize to him. But there are a lot of bear baiters out there! It seems suspect to me. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 04/24/2010 : 10:23:17 [Permalink]
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| Yeah. Welcome to SFN, kim jennings!!! |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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kim jennings
New Member
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Posted - 04/24/2010 : 14:14:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Yeah. Welcome to SFN, kim jennings!!!
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I like your tag line Kil! |
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sailingsoul
SFN Addict
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Posted - 04/24/2010 : 19:25:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
... from a pack of infidels. ...
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I resemble that comment!
Wow, I just read the whole thread and this could be a twilight zone episode, if it's not already. Let me see if I got this straight. Your wife thinks it better to teach your kid only the lies truth about Christmas and not the truth lies about Santa Clause? The truth being, Jesus (a God) was born on Dec. 25. Three days after the winter solstice. That there were three kings, bearing gifts and they traveled during midwinter not knowing to where, just following a "star". That star, guided them precisely the barn where Jesus was born, arriving on the same night Jesus did. Talk about the truth being stranger than fiction. Now, the reason "Mary" delivered God out in a barn, was because all the inn's in town were full due to a census. Good thing I'd say. Even the wisest (astronomer) kings would be hard pressed to find the right block in town, let alone the right inn and room using a star. A feat I'd think can't be done by anyone alive today, even using Hubble. This is the Christmas truth your referring to? She wants to teach you girl that this is undeniably true and at the same time, your wife's dead set against lying to her, about Santa Clause? It boggles my mind, to think this is truly going on. Am I the only one who sees the humor in this thread?
In your OP you wrote | my wife will not allow our daughter to believe in Santa Claus for the first 7 years of her life |
At about 7, is when most kids stop believing in Santa not start. I don't know what to say, other than by the time she makes 18 this one issue will probably effect little in determining how well she turns out. So don't loose any sex sleep over it. SS
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf
USA
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Posted - 04/25/2010 : 07:06:37 [Permalink]
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I have heard it said that Santa Claus is a training Jesus.
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 04/25/2010 : 07:19:06 [Permalink]
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| at least saint nick is half-assed based on 1/2 real person and 1/2 corporate image - more evidence of existence than jesus at this point. beyond that they are exactly the same thing. |
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kim jennings
New Member
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Posted - 04/25/2010 : 07:50:32 [Permalink]
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