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Ebone4rock
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 Posted - 05/04/2010 : 09:24:32
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Since my discussion last week with my brother in law about his belief in alien/demons I have been doing a little bit more research on the subject. Check out this great example of the lunacy.
www.conspiracyarchive.com/UFOs/demons_aliens_clothes.htm
I find the more I learn about people's self inlicted insanity the more cynical I become.
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Haole with heart, thats all I'll ever be. I'm not a part of the North Shore society. Stuck on the shoulder, that's where you'll find me. Digging for scraps with the kooks in line. -Offspring |
Edited by - Ebone4rock on 05/04/2010 10:18:38
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Machi4velli
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Posted - 05/04/2010 : 10:15:25 [Permalink]
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Link seems broken  |
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people."
-Giordano Bruno
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, but the illusion of knowledge."
-Stephen Hawking
"Seeking what is true is not seeking what is desirable"
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Ebone4rock
SFN Regular
USA
894 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2010 : 10:19:11 [Permalink]
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I think I fixed it. Let me know if it doesn't work.
I'll post it here too http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/UFOs/demons_aliens_clothes.htm. |
Haole with heart, thats all I'll ever be. I'm not a part of the North Shore society. Stuck on the shoulder, that's where you'll find me. Digging for scraps with the kooks in line. -Offspring |
| Edited by - Ebone4rock on 05/04/2010 10:19:49 |
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 05/04/2010 : 15:21:22 [Permalink]
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Kinda makes you wonder why God created those evil aliens, doesn't it? |
The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley
The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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Dave W.
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dglas
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 05/04/2010 : 20:27:37 [Permalink]
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| You know, I suddenly really want to run an RPG based on demonic aliens. :D |
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The Presupposition of Intrinsic Evil
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Ebone4rock
SFN Regular
USA
894 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2010 : 06:09:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
Kinda makes you wonder why God created those evil aliens, doesn't it?
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No shit. Thats what I don't get. So God created everything....he created his own nemesis? Why? Just to keep himself from getting bored? What a selfish God.
How do the theists solve these obvious problems of philosophy? |
Haole with heart, thats all I'll ever be. I'm not a part of the North Shore society. Stuck on the shoulder, that's where you'll find me. Digging for scraps with the kooks in line. -Offspring |
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astropin
SFN Regular
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Posted - 05/05/2010 : 10:27:42 [Permalink]
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Apparently omnipotence makes you go batshit insane.
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I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.
You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.
Atheism:
The result of an unbiased and rational search for the truth.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 05/05/2010 : 12:22:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ebone4rock
How do the theists solve these obvious problems of philosophy? |
They don't. They hand-wave them away with "God works in mysterious ways" or other such nonsense. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 05/06/2010 : 19:16:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ebone4rock
Originally posted by R.Wreck
Kinda makes you wonder why God created those evil aliens, doesn't it?
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No shit. Thats what I don't get. So God created everything....he created his own nemesis? Why? Just to keep himself from getting bored? What a selfish God.
How do the theists solve these obvious problems of philosophy?
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One of balance, really. Can't appreciate the good without the bad. Also need a scapegoat for when bad things happen to good people.
If you have only one God, you need an Anti-God to balance it out. |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 05/06/2010 : 22:09:48 [Permalink]
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From the OP link
1. They were extremely advanced scientifically and technologically. |
Is this compared to what preceded them only or does it include what came after, up to today? Let's not give credit where it's not due.
| 2. Animal and human sacrifices were performed at an alarming rate, preceding their demise. |
No doubt the purging of lawyers and politicians along with some unlucky critters.
| 3. They believed they had acquired metaphysical knowledge from the "gods", whom they perceived as coming from the stars and also the subterranean level of the earth. |
"They" refers to opportunists, who are ever present and are ready not to miss a chance to make a quick buck. Definitely Scientologists, they're around today. Oh oh! I getting scared.
| 4. These cultures disintegrated or became abruptly extinct while at the pinnacle of their existance. |
The spelling checker tells me it's spelled "existence"!
Maybe they just jumped into their flying cars and saucers then went to another planet. Leaving their nut jobs here, our ancestors. That would explain a lot now, wouldn't it? SS
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 05/07/2010 : 08:51:36 [Permalink]
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| Some woo beliefs require a detailed, point-by-point refutation by skeptics. This is not such a belief. It's sufficient to simply note that these guys have seriously disordered minds. Point, laugh, and slowly back away. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Ebone4rock
SFN Regular
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894 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2010 : 09:01:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Some woo beliefs require a detailed, point-by-point refutation by skeptics. This is not such a belief. It's sufficient to simply note that these guys have seriously disordered minds. Point, laugh, and slowly back away.
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This is why I get so confused as to what I should do when confronted with ideas like these. My brother-in-law and I are very good friends. I do not want to insult him. I was so dumbfounded when he was explaining this to me that the only response I could come up with was " I just can't believe something like that".
What the hell is a guy supposed to do when these ideas come from people you respect and care about? |
Haole with heart, thats all I'll ever be. I'm not a part of the North Shore society. Stuck on the shoulder, that's where you'll find me. Digging for scraps with the kooks in line. -Offspring |
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf
USA
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Posted - 05/07/2010 : 21:35:57 [Permalink]
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What a fascinating grand conspiracy spanning for millenia. I like it. I'll have to share this with my UFO/alien enthusiast friend who believes that it's the other way around: that ancient people who thought they were seeing demons were really seeing aliens. 
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 05/08/2010 : 07:28:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ebone4rock
This is why I get so confused as to what I should do when confronted with ideas like these. My brother-in-law and I are very good friends. I do not want to insult him. I was so dumbfounded when he was explaining this to me that the only response I could come up with was " I just can't believe something like that".
What the hell is a guy supposed to do when these ideas come from people you respect and care about?
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Well! I can see your predicament, your not alone. Nobody likes a know it all, so it's not likely to be endearing if you respond excessively. All erroneous concepts are not embedded equally. Their are concepts people have that can't be corrected by a single or few sentence response. I too have some friends that believe in some concepts that are just out there. Like one woman who is a very dear friend and she puts the water she's going to be drinking in a blue glass bowl and treats it. Now this has to be done with exposeure to the early morning sunlight. She'll sit with the bowl, in the sunshine and rubs the rim of the bowl to get it ringing. Then she meditates. When done she'll transfer the water to a jug and refrigerates it. That instills Good "energy" in to the water and makes it way better for drinking. She holds, vibrations have effect, Blue is at a certain frequency, there are negative and positive energies that exert powerful effect on objects and people. When she was sharing with me this belief and activity the last thing I was going to do is respond with, WTF, "that's just bullshit!". What a useless thing to do. I just smiled and replied, "Well I don't understand that at all.". She was happy to try to explain it to me but the words she used and how they were strung together made no sense. For me the words had no meaning the way she used them. I must have looked like this Whaah???? and I dared not do this  .. Just like you and your brother in law, I respect and value her intelligence and friendship greatly. I'm too am amazed at some of the concepts(woo)she lives with. Recalling I'm not infallible and all knowing at these times helps.
Now I have corrected her thinking more than once but not in the example. One time was her misconception that magnetism and gravity are the same thing. I was surprised when she said that too. I pointed out to her that a piece of steel, a magnet, a piece of wood and the earth are all made of matter. Then said that yes all have a gravitational attraction to each other but they don't interact with each other the same electromagnetically. The magnet and steel do but the magnet and wood do not. She replied that density explained that, as the wood was not as dense as the steel. So I added lead to the group and asked "If that's true why doesn't the magnet attract the lead, being it's denser than steel?" She then realized the was a flaw in her assumptions and understand. Now she looked like this . I made a dent in her armour. I then tried to explain that there are four ways matter interacts (with matter). Gravitation and electromagnetic interactions are two along with the strong and weak nuclear forces. That they are all separate interactions of matter. I can't say if she fully understood but she doesn't think and won't say that to others again, I believe. I don't dwell on her crazy concepts at the moments their voiced, if I can't get her to see she needs to rethink something, at the moment. I do speak my thoughts but not in a insulting way. I even withhold thoughts if I think they will not be constructive or helpful to her. We have great talks and I do learn too. That's what good friend do for each other. That's what your brother in law might be doing when you voice your thoughts on no God or religion. It's not about being right or wrong but enjoying each others company and sharing. Which you clearly stated you do. SS |
There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS |
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