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The Rat
SFN Regular
Canada
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 Posted - 06/15/2010 : 20:17:55
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A girl is killed by her own father and brother for not wearing a head covering and they plead to second degree murder?! In my opinion these so-called 'honour killings' should warrant harsher penalties than any other kind, for they are in essence pre-meditated years in advance and sanctioned by a sub-culture. All who would subscribe to such evil must be sent a strong message: I mourn for you Aqsa Parvez.
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Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.
You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II
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On fire for Christ
SFN Regular
Norway
1273 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2010 : 04:02:53 [Permalink]
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Do you think increasing the penalty will have any impact? Doesn't strike me as the actions of a man who is concerned with the consequences. The pleading 2nd degree thing seems like more of an afterthought.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 06/16/2010 : 07:40:52 [Permalink]
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Agsa Parvez was a brave girl, and I, too, mourn for her. Her death is a failure, not just of Islam, but of the larger society.
A child who feels threatened should be able to call a widely advertised toll-free number, and then immediately be escorted by police officers to a safe location where he or she can be interviewed and evaluated by trained counselors.
There then needs to be network of secure safe houses (similar to those for abused spouses) for minors who are determined to need shelter and protection from murderous and abusive cults or sects, religious or otherwise. Ideally, these shelters would need to have strong legal support and regulatory oversight so that they themselves do not become abusive. I'd be happy to contribute to such a system of shelters. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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On fire for Christ
SFN Regular
Norway
1273 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2010 : 09:20:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
A child who feels threatened should be able to call a widely advertised toll-free number, and then immediately be escorted by police officers to a safe location where he or she can be interviewed and evaluated by trained counselors.
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I think this is a better idea but would result in thousands of hoaxes from prank callers and angsty teenagers which would make it ultimately unworkable. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2010 : 10:02:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
I think this is a better idea but would result in thousands of hoaxes from prank callers and angsty teenagers which would make it ultimately unworkable. |
Give hoaxing or other abuse the same penalty as filing a false police report. |
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The Rat
SFN Regular
Canada
1370 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2010 : 15:56:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
Do you think increasing the penalty will have any impact? Doesn't strike me as the actions of a man who is concerned with the consequences.
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Nothing will bring Aqsa back, so I don't give a damn about whether he is concerned or not. I am concerned with keeping him forever segregated from any member of society so that he can't poison any more minds. And if setting such an example makes just one person think twice, then the harsh penalty will have served its purpose. In cases like this a life sentence should literally mean life, he shouldn't be released until the maggots are feasting on his rotting flesh. |
Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.
You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II
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On fire for Christ
SFN Regular
Norway
1273 Posts |
Posted - 06/19/2010 : 10:29:25 [Permalink]
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That's delightful but I was actually exploring solutions rather than punishments.
Incidentally, Dave, what is the charge for a minor filing a false police report these days? |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 06/19/2010 : 11:47:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
Incidentally, Dave, what is the charge for a minor filing a false police report these days? |
Well, in Virginia filing a false report is a class 1 misdemeanor, which carries a penalty of up to a year in jail and/or up to a $2,500 fine. I couldn't tell you how juvenile courts deal with these things.
Thinking about it, suicide hotlines don't seem to be swamped with teenagers making prank calls. Why do you think this would be different? |
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sailingsoul
SFN Addict
2830 Posts |
Posted - 06/19/2010 : 12:23:19 [Permalink]
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Of course each state would be different, although not by much.
For another example, in Idaho...
TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 7
ARRESTS AND SEIZURES OF PERSONS
OR PROPERTY -- SPECIAL OFFICERS
18-705. RESISTING AND OBSTRUCTING OFFICERS. Every person who willfully
resists,...(other deleted offenses) ... or who knowingly gives a false report to any peace officer, when no other punishment is prescribed, is punishable by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), and imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding one (1) year.
I think a perfect solution would be to make this type of murder the same as killing a cop. Mandatory death, upon conviction. That should get the message out. If it doesn't work at least the loony toons will be gone and unable to terrorize any other family members. SS |
There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS |
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dglas
Skeptic Friend
Canada
397 Posts |
Posted - 06/19/2010 : 16:24:36 [Permalink]
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Quoth The Rat:
"I am concerned with keeping him forever segregated from any member of society so that he can't poison any more minds."
"Poisoning minds" is a crime now?
Let us not permit our fervor to override our perspective, mmmkay?
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Same for anyone calling for death penalty. I share your rage at this, but if you are advocating death or censorship, then I see little to set you above him.
I am disgusted by Leilani Neumann, who let her daughter die of juvenile diabetes, but I am not calling for her death.
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The Presupposition of Intrinsic Evil
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The Rat
SFN Regular
Canada
1370 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2010 : 03:37:41 [Permalink]
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| I'm not proposing locking him up for poisoning minds, but for the crime of 'honour killing'. The fact that he would no longer be able to spread his perversion is merely a bonus, and a damned good one at that. |
Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.
You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II
Baculum's page: http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=3947338590 |
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
385 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2010 : 05:15:23 [Permalink]
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| If it's true that he believes in myths and fantasy, and kills people because of it, he needs some sort of treatment for his delusions. Death penalty doesn't help, and it's wrong and barbaric either way. It's possible that he will never be cured but I think society must try. |
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan |
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On fire for Christ
SFN Regular
Norway
1273 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2010 : 05:52:10 [Permalink]
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| Thinking about it, suicide hotlines don't seem to be swamped with teenagers making prank calls. Why do you think this would be different? |
Possibly because suicide lines merely offer counselling, not the prospect of immediately being brisked away from family and school with a single phonecall. |
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sailingsoul
SFN Addict
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Posted - 06/21/2010 : 06:56:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by The Rat
I'm not proposing locking him up for poisoning minds, but for the crime of 'honour killing'. The fact that he would no longer be able to spread his perversion is merely a bonus, and a damned good one at that.
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The farther and son who committed the murder, and there family members who supported it by not condemning it, did not acquire their beliefs in a vacuum or within their own family circle but from their religious leaders. A highly religious culture that preaches (condones) and promotes this behavior. Without addressing the source of this deadly meme, it will continue as it does. Even in Canada. It's possible this is not the last Canadian victim. SS |
There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2010 : 10:28:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
Possibly because suicide lines merely offer counselling, not the prospect of immediately being brisked away from family and school with a single phonecall. |
A lot of the domestic violence laws seem to be written such that a mere suspicion can get a person a ride downtown, at the least. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
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The brutal death of a girl
