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Ebone4rock
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 Posted - 08/16/2010 : 04:05:09
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http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/08/15/aliens-exist-probably-love-bach/
Pierre Schwob, author and creator of the classical music repository ClassicalArchives.com, suggested that a piece like Bach's "Goldberg Variations," which is built on mathematical patterns, might be particularly accessible to extraterrestrials.
"If anything I would think, yes, any civilization whatsoever would gather that this is extraordinarily beautiful," Schwob said. "But we really don't have any idea what would be appreciated by an alien civilization." [10 Alien Encounters Debunked]
He said other works by Bach, Vivaldi, and other Baroque composers could be a good bet because they are fairly regular and harmonic.
"What about Lady Gaga?" a member of the audience asked, referring to the American pop singer.
"I won't even go there," Schwob replied.
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Ah...so aliens would like the same music he likes. They would also like music that is based on mathematics. I think they would like Van Halen better.
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 08/16/2010 : 05:42:13 [Permalink]
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Best we don't say or do anything at all. "Welcome to earth...we're hot for teacher!"
I'm thinking we start without lyrics and see how that goes, less confusing that way.
I vote Rush's La villa strangiato and Vivaldi's concerto for four violins. If they're rocker aliens we can whip out Priest's Ram it down |
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filthy
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Posted - 08/16/2010 : 07:10:21 [Permalink]
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If I were to become involved in this, I'd vote for Raval's Bolero.
How&ever, being a serious Star Trek and Futurama fan,I really don't think contacting outer-space aliens is all that good an idea.
Spying on them, of course, is another matter.
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The Rat
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Posted - 08/16/2010 : 15:07:04 [Permalink]
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| I would try some Dick Dale. If they don't like the King of the surf guitar then screw 'em, they can keep their hyperdrives and newfangled techogadgets. |
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filthy
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 Posted - 08/17/2010 : 03:56:04 [Permalink]
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Tune up yer fiddles, it seems that we might find aliens sooner rather than later..... Or not.
SANTA CLARA, Calif. — Proof of extraterrestrial intelligence could come within 25 years, an astronomer who works on the search said Sunday.
"I actually think the chances that we'll find ET are pretty good," said Seth Shostak, senior astronomer at the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Institute in Mountain View, Calif., here at the SETIcon convention. "Young people in the audience, I think there's a really good chance you're going to see this happen."
Shostak bases this estimation on the Drake Equation, a formula conceived by SETI pioneer Frank Drake to calculate the number (N) of alien civilizations with whom we might be able to communicate. That equation takes into account a variety of factors, including the rate of star formation in the galaxy, the fraction of stars that have planets, the fraction of planets that are habitable, the percent of those that actually develop life, the percent of those that develop intelligent life, the fraction of civilizations that have a technology that can broadcast their presence into space, and the length of time those signals would be broadcasted.
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Ok, I must ask: what gives anyone the idea that sentient life exists anywhere near us in this galaxy? After all, it has yet to be demonstrated that sentience has any long-term, species survival value -- indeed, quite the contrary if we use ourselves as an example.
How long has H. sap been known to be on the premises? 200,000 years or so and a bit less for it's less fortunate cousin, H. s. neandertalis? Compared to many/most other species, extinct and extant, that's a very short time. Hey, and all we have proven is that we are a species of very clever and rather vicious monkeys that would fuck up a free lunch, and have. And currently are. But "dig we must," eh?
The SETI quest is set to take a leap forward when the Allen Telescope Array, a network of radio dishes under construction in northern California, is fully operational. By 2015, the array should be able to scan hundreds of thousands of stars for signs of extraterrestrial intelligence, Shostak said.
But while humans might be able to discover an alien signal within that timeframe, interpreting what ET is trying to tell us could take much, much longer.
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Good luck with that....
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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Ebone4rock
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 04:07:03 [Permalink]
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| the fraction of stars that have planets, the fraction of planets that are habitable, the percent of those that actually develop life, the percent of those that develop intelligent life, the fraction of civilizations that have a technology that can broadcast their presence into space, and the length of time those signals would be broadcasted. |
So this equation comes from where......? Out of someones anus? |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 05:18:48 [Permalink]
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| The equation is fine, if you like equations with 10 variables, none of which are actually knowable(everybody guesstimate!) |
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"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 05:56:32 [Permalink]
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They would also like music that is based on mathematics. I think they would like Van Halen better.
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filthy
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 07:54:59 [Permalink]
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Great minds think alike; PZ is less than thrilled with the Drake Equation, as well.
I've never been a fan of SETI, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. It's like playing the lottery obsessively, throwing down lots of money in hopes of a big payoff, and I don't play the lottery, either.
I'd really like to know if Seth Shostak is innumerate enough to play the lottery, though, because his recent claim that we stand a good chance of discovering extraterrrestrial intelligence within 25 years. All right, bring it: let's see your evidence for such a claim.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dude
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 08:46:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ebone4rock
| the fraction of stars that have planets, the fraction of planets that are habitable, the percent of those that actually develop life, the percent of those that develop intelligent life, the fraction of civilizations that have a technology that can broadcast their presence into space, and the length of time those signals would be broadcasted. |
So this equation comes from where......? Out of someones anus?
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The Drake equation is an interesting thought exercise. But nothing more since most of the variables are impossible to currently fill with meaningful numbers.
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bngbuck
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 11:05:00 [Permalink]
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| Pierre Schwob, author and creator of the classical music repository ClassicalArchives.com, suggested that a piece like Bach's "Goldberg Variations," which is built on mathematical patterns, might be particularly accessible to extraterrestrials. |
Stephen Hawking's views on this subject might be provocative..| "The aliens are out there and Earth had better watch out, at least according to Stephen Hawking. He has suggested that extraterrestrials are almost certain to exist — but that instead of seeking them out, humanity should be doing all it that can to avoid any contact." |
The up-to-now widely repected astrophysicist apparently has some pretty controversial views on extraterrestrial life.
Pity that Carl Sagan isn't around anymore to debate and pontificate with Hawking on these matters. The fact that a scientist of Hawking's stature expresses the controversial views on "alien life" that he has, I find interesting.
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filthy
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 16:53:27 [Permalink]
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I think that alien life certainly exists. Further, I think that life has sprung up like parasitic fungi on a dung beetle anywhere there were conditions that would allow it. Where I get hung up is the part about "intelligent" life. That's the rat turd in the sugar bowl.
See, any life out there would in no way resemble anything found here beyond chemistry. And some of that could be nigh impossible. So as too "intelligent" life, how would we know? That intelligence could be/would be so alien, so foreign to our own thought process' that we might not recognize it as such. And vice-versa.
My respect for Dr. Hawking is vast, but, unless he's got some inside scuttlebutt from would-be invaders, he's missed the call on this one.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dude
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Posted - 08/17/2010 : 17:44:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
| Pierre Schwob, author and creator of the classical music repository ClassicalArchives.com, suggested that a piece like Bach's "Goldberg Variations," which is built on mathematical patterns, might be particularly accessible to extraterrestrials. |
Stephen Hawking's views on this subject might be provocative..| "The aliens are out there and Earth had better watch out, at least according to Stephen Hawking. He has suggested that extraterrestrials are almost certain to exist — but that instead of seeking them out, humanity should be doing all it that can to avoid any contact." |
The up-to-now widely repected astrophysicist apparently has some pretty controversial views on extraterrestrial life.
Pity that Carl Sagan isn't around anymore to debate and pontificate with Hawking on these matters. The fact that a scientist of Hawking's stature expresses the controversial views on "alien life" that he has, I find interesting.
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Just examining human history, the consequences for less technologically advanced groups encountering more technologically advanced groups have been bad for the less advanced. I realize that it is a bit of anthropomorphism to extend the same to any possible extra terrestrial that may be out there, but it would be equally foolish to assume them to be benign or friendly too.
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Now this is some speculating!
