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Bill scott
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 Posted - 10/01/2010 : 12:45:04 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Dave W. |
| I'd be crowing about how badly people know religion even if atheists/agnostics only pulled an average of 25%. Being #1 is just icing on the cake. |
Because in a search for truth in regards to origins that and $.50 will get you a nice cup of coffee. Maybe it takes a $1.00 these days? |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 10/01/2010 : 13:11:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
| Originally posted by Ebone4rockAh but Bill, atheists do not claim to have beliefs |
But the reality is they do have beliefs, whether they claim to or not. |
Really? If that is the case, please enumerate these beliefs for me...
| I can surely say though that some sort of God the least likely answer to the mysteries of the universe. |
And that is your belief. |
No it is a conclusion drawn from the lack of reliable evidence there is a God in the first place.
| Just because no one has all of the answers and never will is no reason for " God done it" to be the answer by default. |
While I can not speak for all theist my "God done it" conclusion was certainly not arrived at by default. Shoot, we have the very creation itself testify in favor of an infinite creator.
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...and that is know as the logical fallacy called "begging the question".
By labelling everything we see around us as "creation", you assume that there has to be a creator.
I don't label the Universe as creation, therefore I don't see evidence of any creator. I think the Universe is Marvellous, does that mean that Captain Marvell created it?
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Dave W.
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USA
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Posted - 10/01/2010 : 13:58:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
So what has the winner of the slow sprint won for being #1 in his slow sprint? |
A gold star.| Sounds like you're the kind of guy who would laugh at the Paralympics. |
In general or are you referring to something in particular here? |
In general. They're running "slow sprints."| I take it this is a new "finding" of yours, since in the past you've spent a lot of time here calling all sorts of people stupid. |
Your confusing me with Dude. I certainly don't recall calling anybody stupid. |
The point is that you're now trying to pass yourself off as a disinterested moderate, watching two extremes fight over something you find "silly," when in fact you've been on the front lines of the debate since at least 2003. Hell, in those emails, you described evolutionary science as a "fantasy" and as "silly," which surely suggests you think its proponents stupid, even if you didn't use the word. Your arguments against AGW paint a similar picture.| I see your point. I didn't need to add God vs. no god. |
You obviously felt a need to do so, before.| So anyway, what does the longest jumper win in a contest to long jump the grand canyon? |
A gold star, a pat on the head and a wee bit of righteous smugness. |
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Hawks
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Canada
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Posted - 10/01/2010 : 19:32:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
The truth is that not a single one of us knows that our beliefs are truth. |
That is just your belief which, by your own admission, you don't know is true.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2010 : 20:03:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Because in a search for truth in regards to origins... |
'Cause that's exactly what a world-religion knowledge survey is for: it's a part of the search for truth in regards to origins.  |
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moakley
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Posted - 10/01/2010 : 22:08:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
So again to point to one survey of human intellance where you squeak by the competition in overall general knowledge of the world's religions by a small margin and then claim "we win" in the God vs. no god debate when you still do not know that you do "win" I just find silly.
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What's silly to me is your conflating the results of this poll with the god vs no god debate. The results of the poll simply showed that atheists/agnostics were, on average, able to answer more questions correctly. As far as any truth to be established in the god vs no god debate is concerned that, as you have heard many times before, is more your burden than ours. And to suggest that we will not know until we die suggest that we will know something after we die, implying that you are likely right and that we should fear the likelihood of hell.  |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2010 : 07:00:59 [Permalink]
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In response to the Pew poll, someone has created an Atheist Quiz.
I managed to get 22 out of the 25 questions right, after only missing 2 of the 5 that I guessed on (numbers 8, 10, 11, 22 and 24, getting 11 and 22 wrong). The third one I missed I should have known (#2). So really, my knowledge would only have gotten me to 19/25, or 76%.
And like many others in the comments over there, though, I have criticisms of some of the questions. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 10/02/2010 : 08:51:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
In response to the Pew poll, someone has created an Atheist Quiz.
I managed to get 22 out of the 25 questions right, after only missing 2 of the 5 that I guessed on (numbers 8, 10, 11, 22 and 24, getting 11 and 22 wrong). The third one I missed I should have known (#2). So really, my knowledge would only have gotten me to 19/25, or 76%.
And like many others in the comments over there, though, I have criticisms of some of the questions.
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I got 21 out of 25. I missed 2, 3, 11 and 22 I guessed on some too, but they were logical guesses so I'm not going to be as hard on myself as Dave is. Of course, if anyone had just asked me, without the multiple choice to pick the best answer from, my score would look a lot like the one Dave gave himself... |
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chefcrsh
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Posted - 10/02/2010 : 09:37:37 [Permalink]
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| 15 is absolutely a wrong and misleading question. I didn't grade my self but got more than 20 I am pretty sure. Also this goes all over the place not just into atheism. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 10/02/2010 : 10:02:07 [Permalink]
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| I got 19. But then, there were a number of American history/social studies questions that I as a European don't hold myself to know about. |
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podcat
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 11:02:15 [Permalink]
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| So if the theists know more about atheism than the atheists, what do they "win"? |
“In a modern...society, everybody has the absolute right to believe whatever they damn well please, but they don't have the same right to be taken seriously”.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Sweden
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 12:43:33 [Permalink]
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| Eternal damnation. |
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podcat
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 17:08:34 [Permalink]
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| Well, yeah, if it exists. What if it turns out that Buddhism is the correct religion? |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 05:13:17 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse |
| No it is a conclusion drawn from the lack of reliable evidence there is a God in the first place. |
And that is simply your belief. And a lack of reliable evidence? Day and night and night and day the very creation itself testifies on behalf of the creator . |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 05:19:28 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Dave W. |
| So what has the winner of the slow sprint won for being #1 in his slow sprint? |
A gold star. |
And here is where kil was trying to point out your short sightedness, Dave. You have just won the Grand Canyon long jump contest. Congratulations, Dave, you are #1. Just what you have always wanted, to be #1. Puff out that chest and beat on it for us. Now go pick up your #1 prize at the bottom of the canyon.
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Atheists and agnostics are #1
