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Bill, please tell me what the big deal is re: teleprompters. Virtually all presidents have used aids to keep them from looking like fools if/when they lost their place. Lincoln used a hastily scribbled speech he scratched out on the way to an event -- it's called the Gettysburg Address. Reagan used actor's cue cards; Bush Jr. used not just a teleprompter but possibly a radio receiver as well. There is some evidence in support of this. Don't recall what Bush Sr. and Clinton used, but I'm sure there was something; probably notes like earlier Presidents.
In short, any politician who doesn't use such aids is a fool, and even Bush was not that foolish. Can it be, having failed the "birther" and "socialist" nonsense that the Republicans can come up nothing else?
As for the "race issue," it's out there for all to see.
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Posted - 10/27/2010 : 14:10:26 [Permalink]
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Whenever I think Bill can't say anything that could lower my opinion of him any further, he proves me wrong. How much of a sick, despicable, immoral, twisted scumbag to you have to be to defend a guy who stomped on a peacefully-protesting woman? Bill, please don't ever, ever pretend to care about Christian morals ever again. I simply cannot take the hypocrisy.
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Ebone4rock
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originally posted by H. Humbert
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An oxymoron.
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Posted - 10/27/2010 : 14:18:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Originally posted by moakley
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| why would someone who does as many speeches as the President not utilize the available technology. |
He might not need the teleprompter if he was actually speaking for himself and not just acting as a parrot.
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You have evidence that he does not believe what he is saying? Or is that just projection? No this is a wise use of available technology to ensure precision of message. I have already stated why.
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I never said that he did not believe it and he "uses the technology" because he fumbles and bumbles his way through a speech without it.
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Ok. It looks like we are in agreement with his using a teleprompter being a wise decision, but not in agreement as to why. But after his fumbling and bumbling predicessor I can see why it is necessary that any of Obama's "uh" speech fillers has to be considered the same. Maybe he'll even give us liberals a genuine cringe worthy moment by giving Angela Merkle a double shoulder rub. |
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Posted - 10/27/2010 : 14:27:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
The Obama agenda. |
Duh. What is that agenda? Can you explain any of the items on it?| Well for us tax paying Americans, not very well right now. |
What, specifically, has Obama done that has made things difficult for us?| Well it may be less then 5% but at any rate that is my point. |
No, your point was that it is entirely about policy, not 95% about policy. Shall I quote you? "So, as you see, this has nothing to with race..."
Also,Can you name a President who had no speech writers?
I also think it's very funny indeed, Bill, that you won't answer clarifying questions on your suggestion that getting one's head stomped when one is already on the ground is what one deserves if one merely appears to perhaps be a danger to a Senate candidate. |
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SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 10/27/2010 : 16:35:10 [Permalink]
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A little more mindless, teabagger bigotry:
A prominent member of the Tea Party movement is defending a statement he made about the Muslim representative of Minnesota's 5th District.
On Saturday, Judson Phillips, who heads the Tea Party Nation, published a column suggesting Representative Keith Ellison is unfit to serve because he is Muslim.
"There are a lot of liberals who need to be retired this year, but there are few I can think of more deserving than Keith Ellison," writes Phillips. "Ellison is one of the most radical members of Congress. He has a ZERO rating from the American Conservative Union. He is the only Muslim member of Congress. He supports the Counsel for American Islamic Relations, HAMAS and has helped Congress send millions of tax [dollars] to terrorists in Gaza."
Contrary to Phillip's assertion, Ellison is not the only Muslim in Congress. Indiana Democratic Representative Andre Carson is also Muslim.
The column was written in support of independent candidate Lynne Torgerson, who has herself said some controversial things about Muslims
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I dunno; maybe only an atheist/agnostic can appreciate this ridiculous horseshit.
Ambrose Bierce once defined an infidel as a "Mohammadian in New York and a Christian in Constantinople." An astute and acerbic individual, that Mr. Bierce. Would that he could see us now.
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Posted - 10/27/2010 : 16:43:41 [Permalink]
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Bill, there's a phrase I learned in the army that goes like this: FUCK OFF! Are you familiar with it? Yes, I know full-well that it isn't an intelligent reply, but in my opinion you don't deserve one. You're not worth the time.
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Posted - 10/27/2010 : 16:52:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Originally posted by Fripp
I would LOVE to have some of these gutless turds try this on me. Anyone who knows me, knows that I never puff out my chest nor do i act like Buster BadAss, but as an ex-Navy SEAL, I weigh in at a very lean 194 lbs, I have kept myself in top fighting shape, and I fight real dirty. I can't guarantee that I would win, but I will guarantee that I would hurt them and hurt them BAD. They would be missing parts, they would lose their will, any victory would be Pyrrhic at best, and they would be permanently and seriously disabled.
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Hey Buster, why don't you throw on your tea party shirt and then go try to vote in Philly next week. Those Black Panthers will beat your skinny little ex-navy seal ass so silly with their billy clubs that you will be mumbling "Go Army!!!!" by the time they are finished with you.
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Those same two guys FAUX keeps showing over and over again, yeah, they are awsomely intimidating.... rofl, poor billy, you have sucked down another big glass of the coolaid haven't you!
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 02:27:31 [Permalink]
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A brief update:
Kentucky cops are considering charges against at least two more Rand Paul supporters caught on tape wrestling a political heckler to the ground while another man stomped on her head.
"At this point, the investigation is still ongoing," Lexington Police spokeswoman Sherelle Roberts told ABC News. "We're looking into other individuals who may have been involved in the assault and could get charged."
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A pity the charges will only be misdomeaners.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 06:23:39 [Permalink]
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Golly gee, aren't we yet another internet tough guy?
I want you to post any previous examples where I have strutted around and talked tough. |
OK sure.
| I would LOVE to have some of these gutless turds try this on me. |
| I will guarantee that I would hurt them and hurt them BAD |
This was all just in your 1st post, while I was "lurking". But you go on:
| You sound just like those gutless turd Tea Party pussies. You guys can beat up women and talk tough on the internet but all you have is a severe case needing to grow a sack. |
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about here. And my wife will back me on this one. And not just only racism but now your going to incorrectly ramble on about the tea party being women beaters? The article I referenced showed 0% of the tea party signs were directed toward beating women.
| I live outside of Philly, so I just might stop on down and I'll let you know how it goes. You see Bill, I walk the walk, unlike you. |
Good. Take some footage of you walking past the black panthers to vote with your tea party shirt on. It does not matter who you vote for but just wear the tea party shirt and thumb your nose at the BP's as you walk by. Maybe they will do something maybe they won't but I am sure the footage you post will be interesting.
| If you had any idea of how many "bad ass street fighters" (black, white, etc) I've tussled with in the Navy and came out the better, you'd stop talking crap. They may look bad, but 9 times out of 10, they ain't shit. And the 1 out of 10 ends up starting to gain some respect for you because you're not going down as quick as he wants, he starting to get hurt himself and he loses confidence. |
Yeah, I'm the internet bad azz. 
| One of my best friends in the Navy was a 160-lb white guy. He was also a Golden Glove boxer. He put down so many guys who thought he was an easy mark. He was lightning-quick and his blows hurt, so when one goes down lickety-split, his buddies start having second thoughts. |
Ironic, I weigh 160 myself. I never boxed but I did wrestle some in HS so maybe. I bet I would whip the snot out of both of you in a mountain bike race though. So what does that prove? That conservative ideas are better then liberals? Actually that notion is just as silly as if your friend beat me in boxing and then claimed that that proved that liberal ideas out weigh conservatives.
| So don't start talking shit to me, jack-ass. I don't need you to like me, but I have earned the respect. |
I'll be the first to admit that I might not like all vets personally but I sure as heck do respect them all. And that is just the truth.
| Bill, I didn't directly insult nor threaten you. In fact, I didn't even know you were lurking. I merely stated my wish to be placed in a direct confrontation with Tea Party pussies. |
I never threatened you. I simply pointed out that you seem to be going to the extreme by wanting to street fight any and all tea party people. What on earth could that ever prove or accomplish?
| Don't weasel out. When have you EVER criticized someone on the right? |
I have criticized Bush and his administration over many things many times, though I don't consider him on the right. You see I am not an ideologue so I can see the ill's on both sides.
| If you feel that Obama's use of a teleprompter is wrong, then what do you feel about GW Bush's use of the same? What do you feel about Palin's crib notes? |
The same.
| Bill, I didn't directly insult nor threaten you. In fact, I didn't even know you were lurking. I merely stated my wish to be placed in a direct confrontation with Tea Party pussies. |
Just go to a rally then. And make sure to post footage.
BTW, Bill, I don't give two flying fucks about the Army v Navy rivalry. So if you want to continue with the "Go Army" hoping to get a rise out of me, you're wasting your time.
But since you are saying it in an obvious attempt to insult or irritate me, this is just another example where you twist a comment that wasn't directed at you, then you try to adopt an "anonymous tough guy" stance. |
I was only trying to lighten the mood with some friendly Army/Navy discussions. Sorry to have ruffled your feathers so.
| You see, Bill, I respect all the armed forces... they served, but you didn't. |
So you are saying the only way I can respect the armed forces is if I have served? I don't buy that at all.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 06:39:39 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Dave W. |
| What, specifically, has Obama done that has made things difficult for us? |
By putting us in dept to the tune of 14 trillion dollars while accomplishing absolutely nothing in the meantime. Unemployment "officially" at 10%, people's 401K have went into the toilet, Obamacare is forcing us into full government provided health insurances for all as company after company seeks to opt out or drop employee health insurance all together. But that is just want BO wants. Force the people into a single payer system where big brother controls all the strings and all the money. Because this model has worked so well everywhere else around the world where it has been tried.
| No, your point was that it is entirely about policy, not 95% about policy. Shall I quote you? "So, as you see, this has nothing to with race..." |
Fine. I will revise my quote then. 95% or more of the folks at the tea party rally are there to protest the current policy. That is just a verified fact.
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Can you name a President who had no speech writers? |
I think Lincoln wrote the gettysburg address. Simple and to the point. Todays politicians and speech writers could take a few notes here.
| I also think it's very funny indeed, Bill, that you won't answer clarifying questions on your suggestion that getting one's head stomped when one is already on the ground is what one deserves if one merely appears to perhaps be a danger to a Senate candidate. |
OK my computer would not play the video and so last night I finally seen the video on TV. I repeat my initial analysis. Whether it be a political figure, a sport hero or a rock star if you try and force your way through a security team to get in the face of a public figure who is making a public appearance then you better be prepared for the chance of a hard take down. From the video I saw the lady ran around the car and was definite with security on several occasions while also getting close to being in Paul's face. At this point the take down is completely justified. Now once the lady is on the ground I would agree the foot on the head was not necessary. But it sure as heck was not criminal or even a "boot stomping" with head trauma. The guy had sneakers on and did not stomp. The gal was all over MSNBC last night completely coherent and without even as much as a scratch on her forehead. I am sure her trial lawyer told her to start her "head trauma" ramblings.
So just as with their tea party coverage MSNBC and the likes take 5% or less of the story and turn into 95% of their coverage just in effort to whip their zombie followers into a frenzy all before election day. Nice. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 06:59:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
| What, specifically, has Obama done that has made things difficult for us? |
By putting us in dept to the tune of 14 trillion dollars while accomplishing absolutely nothing in the meantime. |
The National Debt was $10 trillion at the end of FY08, but you're going to dump it all on Obama's shoulders? No, no ideologue you. | Unemployment "officially" at 10%, people's 401K have went into the toilet... |
When did those problems start? How have they been going since Obama took office?| ...Obamacare is forcing us into full government provided health insurances for all as company after company seeks to opt out or drop employee health insurance all together. |
Yeah, that would suck. We should all be on full government-provided health care.| But that is just want BO wants. |
No, he doesn't. Congressional Democrats refused to give him what he wanted.| Force the people into a single payer system where big brother controls all the strings and all the money. Because this model has worked so well everywhere else around the world where it has been tried. |
Where else has universal insurance been tried?| I think Lincoln wrote the gettysburg address. |
So you've got to reach back 147 years to find an example? What other modern conveniences should we eliminate?And anti-personal liberty. That's funny.| Todays politicians and speech writers could take a few notes here. |
The latter, apparently, by resigning.| But it sure as heck was not criminal or even a "boot stomping" with head trauma. |
Then how did she get concussed?| The guy had sneakers on... |
And you're such an expert physiologist that you know that that will prevent concussions? Did the sidewalk have sneakers on, too?I saw stomping. Don't know what video you looked at.| The gal was all over MSNBC last night completely coherent and without even as much as a scratch on her forehead. |
So you're such an expert doctor that you can state that concussions only happen due to sneakerless stomping direct to the forehead, and that people who've had concussions can't be completely coherent the next day?| I am sure her trial lawyer told her to start her "head trauma" ramblings. |
Got any evidence for that?| So just as with their tea party coverage MSNBC and the likes take 5% or less of the story and turn into 95% of their coverage just in effort to whip their zombie followers into a frenzy all before election day. Nice. |
The local police must be in on it, too, to be throwing around unwarranted assault charges, huh? |
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 07:12:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about here. And my wife will back me on this one. And not just only racism but now your going to incorrectly ramble on about the tea party being women beaters? The article I referenced showed 0% of the tea party signs were directed toward beating women.
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So you're alright with a group of men "flexing their muscles" by stomping on a woman's head?
Yeah, I'm the internet bad azz.
I never threatened you.
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This isn't a direct attack and insult?
Those Black Panthers will beat your skinny little ex-navy seal ass so silly with their billy clubs that you will be mumbling "Go Army!!!!" by the time they are finished with you.
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Grow a sack. You launched a direct personal attack in response to a reply that wasn't directed towards you in any manner.
I simply pointed out that you seem to be going to the extreme by wanting to street fight any and all tea party people. What on earth could that ever prove or accomplish?
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Bill, quit trying to shift the blame to anyone other than those Tea Party cowards. Bill, you would have earned a lot more respect had you said something like, "I'm a Rand Paul fan, but what these guys did was reprehensible"
So Bill, What Would Jesus Do? Would he have wrestled her to the ground and stomped on her head? How many of his disciples would have helped him?
Would your long-haired savior vote for Rand after witnessing this?
Isn't Rand Paul one of those "personal responsibility" guys? So why didn't he take personal responsibility for his own defense? How about personal responsibility for the actions of these staff members?
What was so scary about this woman? Was Rand "fluffy boy" Paul, mail-order ophthalmologist-degree extraordinaire, afraid she was going to muss up his vintage-70s perm?
I was only trying to lighten the mood with some friendly Army/Navy discussions. |
Bullshit.
Sorry to have ruffled your feathers so.
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Unwarranted direct insults from hypocritical internet cowards will tend to do that.
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 07:38:30 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Dave W. |
| The National Debt was $10 trillion at the end of FY08, but you're going to dump it all on Obama's shoulders? No, no ideologue you. |
I fully abhor those who ran it up to to 10 just as much as those who took it from 10 to 14 and counting.
| When did those problems start? How have they been going since Obama took office? |
We were told the "stimulus" would keep unemployment below 8% and that 1000's of shovel ready jobs would be created by creating a nearly 1 trillion dollar federal slush fund. When in reality we got a short bump from the census workers and now unemployment holds steady at 10% while BO has acknowledged that no shovel ready shops were created with the trillion dollar slush fund.
| Where else has universal insurance been tried? |
Taxachusetts. And how is that going?
In a subsequent story that same month the Globe reported that Commonwealth Care faced a short-term funding gap of $100 million and the need to obtain a new three-year funding commitment from the federal government of $1.5 billion.[37] By June 2011 enrollment is projected to grow to 342,000 people at an annual expense of $1.35 billion. The original projections were for the program to ultimately cover approximately 215,000 people at a cost of $725 million.[38]
Typical big brother government project. Vastly over budget and needing funding from outside sources. Oh goody can't wait for this train wreck to go nation wide.
| So you've got to reach back 147 years to find an example? |
Now your adding qualifiers?
| What other modern conveniences should we eliminate? |
I would not say that speech writer is a modern convenience. I am sure someone would have wrote a speech for Lincoln had he requested it. He was just able to come up with his own material and do rather well with it so why use a writer?
| Then how did she get concussed? |
Dude that lady was all over MSNBC last night with not so much as even a scratch on her. The first thing a trial lawyer will do when they think they might have chance to make some money is to send the victim to the lawyer's personal doctor where the lawyer tells the doctor the diagnosis he is looking for. This is common knowledge. |
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 07:51:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Dude that lady was all over MSNBC last night with not so much as even a scratch on her. The first thing a trial lawyer will do when they think they might have chance to make some money is to send the victim to the lawyer's personal doctor where the lawyer tells the doctor the diagnosis he is looking for. This is common knowledge.
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I'll let Dave address the rest of your last post, but I take it that you're fine with a bunch of men beating up on a woman? Or only as long as the men were Teabaggers and the woman is a liberal, right?
Should she apologize for her head getting in the way of his stomping foot?
Was she a serious threat to fluff-boy?
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"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
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Really courageous, these teabaggers!
