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the_ignored
SFN Addict
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 Posted - 01/04/2011 : 08:47:01
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Can't remember if I posted this cartoon earlier or not, so here it is again, in case you run into that idiotic apologetic argument.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf
USA
1487 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2011 : 13:25:13 [Permalink]
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Objective morality seems a fantasy.
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
3739 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2011 : 13:30:37 [Permalink]
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| I just had this discussion over FB with a Christian guy I used to debate with a decade ago while in college. I ended up pulling out of the conversation when I realized I was spending so much time trying to counter his points that I was starting to neglecting important things in my life. This guy I was debating is a pretty sharp guy who argues quite eloquently. He sticks himself out there to debate these things on a regular basis. And yet ten years later he's still getting into the same debates over and over again. I once read something in a book about Buddhism that if you really want someone to see the flaw in their own argument then encourage them to take it as far as they can, and eventually the flaw will become obvious to them. But if they spend all their time defending it against something else, that will only more deeply entrench them in their flawed way of thinking. Maybe there is some truth to that, I'm not sure. But I am sure that getting in these debates at all anymore (for me at this point in my life) is a waste of time. |
"Too much certainty and clarity could lead to cruel intolerance" -Karen Armstrong
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Baxter
Skeptic Friend
USA
131 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2011 : 10:28:17 [Permalink]
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| This subject is mind-bending. Been trying to wrap my head around it for awhile. It's not as simple as, say, dismissing objective values due to moral disagreement alone. Nor is it as simple as the naive subjectivism that seems common. At present I have no problem with realism. The non-cognitivist arguments just haven't convinced me yet. |
"We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't scoff at them personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me." ~from Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey
"We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know." ~Robert G. Ingersoll
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 01/05/2011 : 14:09:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
I once read something in a book about Buddhism that if you really want someone to see the flaw in their own argument then encourage them to take it as far as they can, and eventually the flaw will become obvious to them. But if they spend all their time defending it against something else, that will only more deeply entrench them in their flawed way of thinking. |
Sounds like sage advice.
| But I am sure that getting in these debates at all anymore (for me at this point in my life) is a waste of time. |
Personally, from my own point of view, I disagree with this. For the purpose of changing them mind of the person I debate, this is probably true, but the world does not consist of only me and 'him'.
What about the audience?
The fence-sitters who have no investment in one side or the other, or are openmindedly waiting to make up their mind. My arguments may have an impact there, and if my arguments persuade some of them to join the skeptic side, then my time hasn't been wasted.
I hope, but I don't expect JerryB to change his mind about ID and genomic entropy, but it is my hope that any fence-sitters realise Jerry's ideas are bunk. That's why I keep at it. That, and that my arguments might inspire and provide other skeptics with ideas and arguments they might otherwise not have thought about.
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