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Robb
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 Posted - 01/07/2011 : 22:02:27
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Does anyone know if there are any references or examples that show using live animals for burn research has lead to significant burn treatment for humans? I could not find much on the net but I am not very knowledgable on the subject. Thanks.
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Robb
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Posted - 01/07/2011 : 22:04:02 [Permalink]
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 01/07/2011 : 23:46:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
I meant to put this in the health folder.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/19/2011 : 23:47:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
Does anyone know if there are any references or examples that show using live animals for burn research has lead to significant burn treatment for humans? I could not find much on the net but I am not very knowledgable on the subject. Thanks.
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Not my area of concentration, but I will go out on a limb and say yes. Animal models are used extensively in burn research, apparently.
http://journals.lww.com/burncareresearch/pages/results.aspx?k=animal%20model&Scope=AllIssues&txtKeywords=animal%20model
That is one burn journal and those are the results of recent studies using animal models.
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/20/2011 : 00:25:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
That is one burn journal and those are the results of recent studies using animal models. |
Man, I know these studies lead to treatments to help people, and I am an avowed carnivore that sees no moral issue with using an animal for its parts, but some of these titles sound gruesome. For example: "Healing of Mid-Dermal Burns in a Diabetic Porcine Model." They gave a pig diabetes and then gave it second degree burns? Damn. But I'm sure any ethical study would ensure that the pig was somehow medicated for pain. At least I hope so.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/20/2011 : 11:22:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by Dude
That is one burn journal and those are the results of recent studies using animal models. |
Man, I know these studies lead to treatments to help people, and I am an avowed carnivore that sees no moral issue with using an animal for its parts, but some of these titles sound gruesome. For example: "Healing of Mid-Dermal Burns in a Diabetic Porcine Model." They gave a pig diabetes and then gave it second degree burns? Damn. But I'm sure any ethical study would ensure that the pig was somehow medicated for pain. At least I hope so.
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After reading some more... in the 40s they just took a blowtorch to the pig, apparently, no sedation or anesthetic. These days I am reasonably confident that any animal used in burn studies is given sedation and a high dose of local anasthetic. I have no direct experience with animal models outside of worms and mice, and none involving injury (except putting worms in a blender, and I'm confident they don't feel pain), but I don't think any lab today is going to just torch a pig without eliminating the pain.
Pigs, interestingly, are a good burn model because their skin closely resembles human skin (in terms of structure).
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2011 : 20:54:18 [Permalink]
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Robb.....
Thank you for your post and your concern.
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