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Hawks
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Canada
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 Posted - 03/24/2011 : 03:50:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by AyameTan
I look at it this way: suffering and happiness are objectively good and bad by definition.
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Remove "objectively" from the above sentence and reverse the order in which "good" and "bad" are written and you have a definition I think a lot of people would agree with. |
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AyameTan
New Member
Japan
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Posted - 03/24/2011 : 22:32:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Hawks
Originally posted by AyameTan
I look at it this way: suffering and happiness are objectively good and bad by definition.
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Remove "objectively" from the above sentence and reverse the order in which "good" and "bad" are written and you have a definition I think a lot of people would agree with.
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I don't disagree that some sociopathic individuals (WLC, Zacharias et al) disagree with suffering being objectively bad.
The fact that suffering can lead to a greater good doesn't change this. |
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Hawks
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 03/25/2011 : 10:15:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by AyameTan
I don't disagree that some sociopathic individuals (WLC, Zacharias et al) disagree with suffering being objectively bad.
The fact that suffering can lead to a greater good doesn't change this.
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Once upon a time, people used the bible to justify keeping and beating slaves. It's fair to say that said slaves suffered and that the people who kept the slaves justified their actions by claiming that they were followers of an objective morality - one that is different from the one you claim is objective. |
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Baxter
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 03/30/2011 : 07:18:55 [Permalink]
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"We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't scoff at them personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me." ~from Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey
"We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know." ~Robert G. Ingersoll
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/30/2011 : 07:31:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by AyameTan
I look at it this way: suffering and happiness are objectively good and bad by definition.
Therefore, any sensible form of morality needs to take this into account.
More specifically, I believe in a modified utilitarian philosophy that allows us to respect autonomy while pursuing human and animal happiness.
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And word definitions/usages change over time, especially those used for nebulous concepts like morality, rendering morality self evidently subjective. Good point Ayame!
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Morality — objective, subjective, or what?
