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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 03/22/2011 : 10:46:22 [Permalink]
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Good news.
Will this be a shorter stay home only to return later, or did she find a way to finish her studies without going back?
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Dave W.
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 Posted - 03/22/2011 : 12:14:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Will this be a shorter stay home only to return later, or did she find a way to finish her studies without going back? |
Her school is trying to make arrangements for students who won't be returning to Tokyo to finish the semester, but so far, it is just a plan to make a plan. Liz intends to go back for a few days if things calm down, to get a bunch of stuff that she left behind (like her textbooks!), but things have gotten hotter in Tokyo the last couple of days, not cooler, so who knows what the future will bring. |
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podcat
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Posted - 03/22/2011 : 12:51:34 [Permalink]
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That's very good news indeed.
Hopefully she has a clean bill of health and no sign of radiation in her system. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/22/2011 : 13:55:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by podcat
Hopefully she has a clean bill of health and no sign of radiation in her system. |
Nobody ever came at her with a Geiger counter. |
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Randy
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Posted - 03/27/2011 : 11:03:21 [Permalink]
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Another tsunami video was just posted on youtube.
Gives a close-hand look at the destructive power....
http://www.youtube.com/user/HeadGirl#p/a/u/0/IEn0vnq1PVI |
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 04/07/2011 : 16:29:06 [Permalink]
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Quite frankly I'm not surprised that the news groups including NPR are all onboard and doing such a bad job reporting on the radiation levels. What I'm referring to is I would like to hear THE ACTUAL NUMBERS and not hearing vague words like "small amounts of radiation are reported,,,". There is a God Damned mandatory 12 mile evacuation zone around the reactors. To me this is saying there is a huge release of very bad shit. Even that "12 mile zone" seems to be not enough.
This was reported...
TOKYO—Levels of radioactivity from Japan's damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear complex are above government limits for infants in some areas outside the plant's 12-mile evacuation zone, according to the latest estimate to fuel an international debate over how close civilians should be allowed to the plant.
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I fear it is going to take a truly horrific accident for nuclear supporters to accept what for me is obvious because this doesn't seem to be it. That being nuclear power is unsafe for the job it's doing. That being boiling water to drive steam turbines to make electricity. Geothermal is available almost everywhere and runs night and day but Nooooo, we can't go that way. It's not viable yet, bullshit! I 5think we can't go that way because any group with capital can generate power and weasel in on the power companies monopole.
Is there anyone here that thinks that the owners of these reactor will make the injured parties whole???? If there are I would like to hear someone say so because I don't think they can or will.
Remember this is not the same kind of radiation that you get from a nuclear bomb. That radiation is relatively short lived. This radiation is a cat of a different color. It's much worse and long lived. Aresolized radioactive material from the fuel or spent rods is what I'm referring to.
Of course the powers that be keep saying that there is nothing to worry about. Yeah right, my ass! SS |
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Dude
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Posted - 04/07/2011 : 17:44:21 [Permalink]
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Actually, you get this from a nuvlear bomb as well. Nukes deliver two kinds of radiation, the initial prompt energy from the explosion, and the radioactive dust from the aftermath, also known as fallout.
Both are fatal in a dose dependent manner.
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 04/07/2011 : 20:18:37 [Permalink]
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Being more specific about my fear of the difference between a bombs pollution and a reactor accident pollution, if I am correct, is with a bomb the nuclear material is nearly completely consumed and other shorter lived radio active material is created. Compared to a reactor accident, actual plutonium matter can be released. It's like comparing apples and oranges.
From this article about "A core breach nearly confirmed in Japan...".
| Also in question is whether plutonium is spreading to the environment from the damaged reactors by steam or leaks, or both, or from the spent fuel storage pools. |
I really hope I'm just wrong in my facts or beliefs.
Your seeing now, as with Chernobyl, this accident's most serious information is not disclosed from the local officials or governments but from other source elsewhere, then confirmed by the officials when the can't deny or continue to not disclose it any further. To me that speaks volumes about what is not being disclosed to the public until after it is outted.
I grew up doing fire drills and nuclear drills in NYC schools. We would get under our desks in the classroom or move into the corridors to be in the center of the buildings. People would not believe how much your surviving a bomb increases if you know what to do and are up against. I've read books on surviving nuclear blasts and I'm telling you I rather be 50 miles from a bomb drop than 50 mile from a reactor accident any day of the week. One fact I do know is people not knowing what their up against after a bomb will kill many more times the people than the actual bomb could, without a doubt.
I not fearful for myself at all but for those who could be affected. I'm in a very safe place from nuclear problems of any kind. SS |
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Dave W.
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 04/07/2011 : 21:24:12 [Permalink]
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Here is an article about what I talking about with the hiding and incorrect information from Japanese authorities. I got it from an email from Green Peace.
Radiation Dosage Chart - Information Is Beautiful
A comment about the above chart.
Three years???? But Dave from what I know Chernobyl happened more than 3 years ago and they sill haven't started moving back yet. The term "dose rate" says nothing about what KIND of exposure (There are three main types of radiation: Alpha radiation, Beta radiation, or Gamma radiation) and the source material it's referring to. Radioactive Iodine 131 drops to safer levels much faster that 3 years. It has a half life of 8 days.
I'm just going to have to be mute on this until a later date if at all again. Really, it's not like I'm going to change anything. SS |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/08/2011 : 04:53:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by sailingsoul
A comment about the above chart.
Three years???? But Dave from what I know Chernobyl happened more than 3 years ago and they sill haven't started moving back yet. The term "dose rate" says nothing about what KIND of exposure (There are three main types of radiation: Alpha radiation, Beta radiation, or Gamma radiation) and the source material it's referring to. Radioactive Iodine 131 drops to safer levels much faster that 3 years. It has a half life of 8 days. |
And Wikipedia claims that the chart is normalized to Cesium-137 levels at 10,000 days, so for a direct comparison, you'd have to calculate the size of a bomb needed to deliver Cs-137 rates at 10,000 days equal to actual rates from Chernobyl at the same date. The chart is displaying relative dose rates, so we can say (for example) that the dose rate (in, say, milliSieverts/hour) from bomb fallout at 50 days will be 100 times greater than the dose rate from Chernobyl was. After three years, bomb and Chernobyl dose rates are almost equal, and nearly 100 times lower than Chernobyl on day 1 (which was 1,000 times lower than bomb rates on day 1).
I'm just going to have to be mute on this until a later date if at all again. Really, it's not like I'm going to change anything. SS
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 04/08/2011 : 07:03:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by sailingsoul
Being more specific about my fear of the difference between a bombs pollution and a reactor accident pollution, if I am correct, is with a bomb the nuclear material is nearly completely consumed and other shorter lived radio active material is created. Compared to a reactor accident, actual plutonium matter can be released. It's like comparing apples and oranges.
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In a nuclear chain reaction, only parts per million of the plutonium, rather than percent, is converted to energy. The reaction that produce energy from a bomb and from a nuclear reactor are basically the same. The biggest difference is that in a reactor, the fuel rods are in place for a long time, which means that daughter products with very short half-lifes "burn" themselves out before the rods are removed from the reactor.
In a melt down, most of the material says in one place: the breach, the half-melting blob.
In a bomb, all this material is dispersed by the explosion.
Fissible uranium and plutonium have long half-lives, and usually emits alpha-radiation, and thus make low radiological damage. The real danger comes from daughter products like Iodine, Cesium, Strontium and similar which chemically mimics important minerals which are important to our biological processes, and are hot. These elements are also much more dispersed by bombs. |
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 05/15/2011 : 18:32:32 [Permalink]
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Well it's official. Right now, my worst fears have been reported to be a reality. Reported Monday, May 16, 2011 in Japan, right now it's Sunday May 15, 8 pm, my time. The secret is no linger being hidden by officials in japan. The core in reactor #1 had melted down less than a day after the incident.
Core of reactor 1 melted 16 hours after quake melted down
New analysis shows damage to fuel rods was surprisingly quick. |
I'd comment further but I feel that it's really a waste of time. Seeing how safe reactors are and all, with all the safety system they are designed with and redundant backs ups that incorporate all the conceivable scenarios they considered.
Well according to Dave's, actually wiki's chart residents will only be put out 3 years. It's good to keep that in mind if it turns out to be true three years from now. Unless it doesn't apply in this case or that chart was put up there by nuclear proponents. Like is the case, in the region around Chernobyl which is still a no-man's land today, 25 years after. I don't know why this should bother me, like "fracking", it's not in my back yard but a world away. Why should I give a fuck, few others do just as remote? SS |
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 05/15/2011 : 18:55:26 [Permalink]
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| Make that three melt downs but is saying "Substantial damage to the fuel cores at two additional reactors" really reporting two more melt downs? I would think so. Even if they aren't reporting so, in so many words right now. SS |
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