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moakley
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Posted - 04/27/2011 :  05:03:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Whatever a devine revelation is it would take more than one event in order for it to be/become convincing. Like Scrooge after the first ghost visited him he was shaken, but still not convinced. I would first look for other explanations and soon whether explained or not if it did not occur again I would likely dismiss that one event. Hell, I have experienced endorphine highs from physical activity, that feels good, but it was not devine. What would a devine revelation feel like?

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Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous
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Kil
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Posted - 04/27/2011 :  10:12:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Moakley:
What would a devine revelation feel like?

Good question. And I doubt that any of us will ever know. But what strikes me is how close to certain most of the skeptics are in this thread about what they would do if it were real and it happened to them.

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Dude
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Posted - 04/27/2011 :  15:35:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
kil said:
So you say. But then, you haven't had God come into your heart. You haven't been touched by real divine revelation. Your assumption is that you would still be skeptical about God after being convinced that God is real. I don't see how that follows. Isn't it more likely that you would conclude that your previous conviction that God doesn't exist was wrong? Of course, there would be the bummer of not being able to prove it to anyone else.

Unless it was a continuous thing, or also involved a change to the fundamental way in which I think, I think it would be a temporary conversion.

After some time passed I would begin to question the experience, is what I'm saying, unless it also permanently altered my ability to question.

I require more than my own personal conviction to believe something true for which there is no evidence.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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