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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 08/09/2011 : 11:22:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ebone4rock
Thanks for all of the perspectives folks.
I have two problems. I was born without a fear gene. I have no fear of death whatsoever, I do not want it to happen soon, but I do not fear it.
As far as drugs go, all of the side effects such as rectal bleeding and suicide turn me off. I only like recreational drugs. :)
I think the patch is the way I'm gonna go. I think I will start on Sunday.
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Death is the least bad thing smoking will do to you. What you should fear is the debilitation it causes before if finally kills you. Do you want to endure years of gasping for air, being chained to a supplemental oxygen supply, years of being hospitalized for minor ailments that you would otherwise have ignored? The chance that you will eventually require a mechanical ventilator because you have destroyed your ability to draw a breath of air? I won't even mention cancer because that is a relatively quick death compared to suffering you will experience at the end of your life if you are a life long smoker.
Just put that shit down man. It isn't that hard a decision to make. Implementing it may be difficult, but not impossible.
I have never smoked (regularly or routinely, ocassionally an aromatic cigar with the appropriate drink....), but I did use chewing tobacco for a number of years. I woke up one day with a small sore on the inside of my lip. I threw away my supply, quit cold, and never looked back. Just decided that being able to eat, drink, and have a face was more important than the pleasure derived from the tobacco. Not a difficult choice. While the consequences of smoking may not be as immediate, they are certainly as bad (or worse), and not worth the small pleasure you derive from the tobacco.
For your own sake, if you want to be functional during your last years alive, just quit.
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Ebone4rock
SFN Regular
USA
894 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2011 : 12:32:03 [Permalink]
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| I am finding that the procratination method of quitting is not working for me. I think I should try another method. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2011 : 14:56:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ebone4rock
I am finding that the procratination method of quitting is not working for me. I think I should try another method.
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Yeah, just put your current supply in the trash. Break them all up first. Then don't buy more.
Simple.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 08/10/2011 : 00:53:19 [Permalink]
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Ebone.....
| Yeah, just put your current supply in the trash. Break them all up first. Then don't buy more. |
Dude is absolutely correct. Cold turkey. Period. I have been there and done that. And it is damn hard. But it is probably the only way that really works.
But I am a pontificating old idiot who really has nothing of any importance to offer to anyone on this forum. Dude, on the other hand, is actually a working, practicing medical professional; and he is also of the magical age bracket where omniscience is briefly possessed and his counsel is readily available - particularly to others of his generation. He has the credibility of his peer position. He is also one smart sonofabitch. Listen to his opinion.
There are others like that here too, but perhaps too timid to speak out firmly - for example, Alienist; a real-honest-to-god M.D. which is a rarity on a time-gobbling posting board like this one. She is also young enough to speak with wisdom as well as authority. How do you get better credentials than that?
Seek her opinion and respect it. A scientist's considered opinion is surely more valuable than mere hearsay remembrance from a a non-scientist dilletante.
Any intelligent human being still in the first half of his/her life who chooses to smoke --- is a fucking stupid idiot. Is there any argument of any kind from any of the intellectual supernovae reading this post?
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2011 : 09:34:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Ebone.....
| Yeah, just put your current supply in the trash. Break them all up first. Then don't buy more. |
Dude is absolutely correct. Cold turkey. Period. I have been there and done that. And it is damn hard. But it is probably the only way that really works.
But I am a pontificating old idiot who really has nothing of any importance to offer to anyone on this forum. Dude, on the other hand, is actually a working, practicing medical professional; and he is also of the magical age bracket where omniscience is briefly possessed is and available particularly to others of his generation. He is also one smart sonofabitch. There are others here too, but perhaps too timid to speak out firmly - for example, Alienist; a real-honest-to-god M.D. which is a rarity on a time-gobbling posting board like this one. She is also young enough to speak with wisdom as well as authority. Seek her opinion. A scientist's considered opinion is surely more valuable than mere hearsay remembrance from a a non-scientist dilletante.
Any intelligent human being still in the first half of his/her life who chooses to smoke is a fucking stupid idiot. Is there an argument from any of the intellectual supernovae reading this post?
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I'm just relating what has worked for me. The cold turkey method has worked for other people I know as well, but that is all just annecdotal. I'm sure the various pharmacuticals available to help with quitting have a proven record. I have no idea what the recidivism rates are for any given method of quitting.
The consequences of smoking, however, are well documented in the primary literature. The problem people have comprehending is that the consequences are not immediate. Chainsaws are used with caution because the consequences are immediate, smoking takes years before you see the first manifestation of the consequences.
The bottom line is that it makes the last years of your life, the ones you want to chill and enjoy, pretty fucking horrible.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 08/11/2011 : 04:31:11 [Permalink]
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I tried to stop taking Tramadol cold turkey after taking 400+mg/day for a year and 50mg Oxycontin/day for a month. I held out half a day before I went back to taking pills and decided to wean myself off it instead. In two weeks I was down to 50mg/day of Tramadol, then the last stretch was the hardest taking additionally a few weeks. After I was finished with it, I had another 3-4 months period until withdrawal-symptoms went "below noise-level".
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 11:11:41 [Permalink]
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bngbuck.....
| This is a cautionary tale. Smoking is an almost unbelievably stupid activity. It is genuinely slow suicide. It is asking for an early, painful death. Anyone who openly chooses to smoke after truly researching the subject is just plain fucking dumb, or else has a death wish. Period. |
| Any intelligent human being still in the first half of his/her life who chooses to smoke --- is a fucking stupid idiot!. Is there any argument of any kind from any of the intellectual supernovae reading this post? |
That's a pretty in-your-face challenge, Buck!
However, certainly there is at least one or two of the many incandescently intelligent members here that is still smoking in their 30's and 40's! Speak up! Defend your addiction! Stand tall like a real skeptic should! Defend the indefensible!
At least e-bone has the balls and the honesty to admit it, and to ask for help! Is there no one else?
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sailingsoul
SFN Addict
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 21:19:44 [Permalink]
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Ebone, If you smoke at every urge you'll never quit. Fight this war one urge at a time and you can get through this one urge at a time. When you give in don't smoke the whole thing and don't let the sig' destroy your wish to stop. When you do give in remember all the wins. As long as you have more wins than losses there is hope. Loosing one battle is not loosing the war. You are able to succeed. As long as you don't smoke with every urge your cutting down. Give it time. Don't let this defeat you. SS |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
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Posted - 08/13/2011 : 23:31:07 [Permalink]
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sailingsoul.....
What is your opinion of intelligent, well-informed, healthy young men and women - neither ignorant, stupid, handicapped, or suffering from mental illness - who choose to smoke, and smoke heavily and consistently?
Is there any reasonable and sensible explanation for this behaviour?
I would appreciate hearing your opinion, as you appear to have more than a passing interest in this phenomenon. My interest is academic, and I am currently in the process of writing narrative and comment on the subject. Do you have any input? |
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sailingsoul
SFN Addict
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Posted - 08/14/2011 : 18:12:24 [Permalink]
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| Bngbuck I would like respond to your questions but give that reply more thought and time than I have right now. I wouldn't want to say something stupid! Know what I mean? I will as soon as I can. Yes, I do find it interesting what and how people interpret from the words of other people. SS |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 08/26/2011 : 10:34:48 [Permalink]
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| Ebone, how's that quitting going? |
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Ebone4rock
SFN Regular
USA
894 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2011 : 10:51:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Ebone, how's that quitting going?
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Still using the procrastination method. It is not working. I think that if I continue this method my wife will force me to use the divorce method. I don't think that will help either.
In all seriousness though I don't know what it is. It's almost every day that I have myself psyched up to quit but then I wake up in the morning and feel a great amount of stress just thinking about quitting. Really, it is emotionally stressful for me even though I have never considered myself much of an emotional person. It also seems that when my friends or family try to encourage my quitting I get even more stressed out. My response is to simply not deal with it.
My brain knows that I must quit. The main motivation that I have is how quitting smoking will be a huge help for my musical performances. I quit for two weeks a few years ago. I never sang so good in my entire life. The night of that performance I was so proud of myself that I celebrated by getting good and drunk after the show. Well, seeing as drinking and smoking compliment each other so well that was my last day as a non-smoker.
I know that it is all in my head. I need to get better control of my head. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 08/26/2011 : 12:00:20 [Permalink]
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| I stopped smoking about a half-hour ago. I think I'm going to have to stop smoking again in another half-hour or so. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/26/2011 : 12:03:58 [Permalink]
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Ebone, I struggle with quitting too. I have found the best method for me is to use the nicotine gum. I prefer it to the patch because the patch is passive and there isn't much to do when a craving comes other than to ride it out. But grabbing a piece of gum when a craving hits makes me feel more in control. And if you park the gum under your lower lip it can feel like a dip, making it feel psychologically closer to a nicotine delivery method my body knows (For a short time I used to dip at the office since I couldn't constantly go out for cigarette breaks.) I still fall off the wagon a great deal, but I smoke much less than without the gum and eventually I hope to get to the point where I don't need it.
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Ebone4rock
SFN Regular
USA
894 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2011 : 12:12:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Ebone, I struggle with quitting too. I have found the best method for me is to use the nicotine gum. I prefer it to the patch because the patch is passive and there isn't much to do when a craving comes other than to ride it out. But grabbing a piece of gum when a craving hits makes me feel more in control. And if you park the gum under your lower lip it can feel like a dip, making it feel psychologically closer to a nicotine delivery method my body knows (For a short time I used to dip at the office since I couldn't constantly go out for cigarette breaks.) I still fall off the wagon a great deal, but I smoke much less than without the gum and eventually I hope to get to the point where I don't need it.
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I have considered using gum also. The problem I have is that I am already a compulsive gum chewer. If I am awake I am chewing gum so the only real benefit would be the nicotene. I just need to man-up and quit already!
I am getting psyched up again! |
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Skeptically quitting
