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Dave W.
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 Posted - 08/31/2011 : 10:42:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
KIl, Some pages back you choose intellectual integrity. That is not consistent with your appeal to ridicule logical fallacy that I pick on the stupidest things without considering historical context. |
Actually, that's not a fallacy. The claim is that you're an idiot. That you "pick on the stupidest things" is evidence in support of that claim. An appeal to ridicule is only fallacious when it's not relevant to the argument. In this case, ridicule is germane. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/31/2011 : 12:54:09 [Permalink]
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Officiant wrote: | By contrast my hero, Madalyn Murray O'Hair, (at least learn how to spell her name) was the driving force in banning prayer from the public schools of one of the most god obsessed countries in the world. You dismiss this monumental achievement with "did her thing." |
Don't over-credit O'Hair. Catholics, Mormons, Unitarians, Ethical Culture, and Jews have all contributed greatly to getting prayer out of public schools across America.
Atheists have always worked with and alongside religious minorities for secular law. Just look at the coalitions that have formed to fight against the bigotry of the boyscouts. Just look at the membership of Americans United, which includes numerous faith groups. Which just makes it more disgusting that you have come here to viciously blanket-criticize anyone with any kind of faith and even agnostics, for not ascribing to your level of atheism. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/31/2011 : 13:02:59 [Permalink]
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Dear officiant,
Please provide a method for testing the claim There is a reality outside my mind and I cant detect and interact with it.
If you can't, and you can't FYI, then you need to admit you are agnostic.
I recommend no one else engage this 'tard on other topics until he gets this one taken care of.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 08/31/2011 : 19:26:01 [Permalink]
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Me:
She was a great woman (which is me giving much more credit to O'Hare than you are willing to give to Huxley) but she was occasionally wrong. |
Added bolding for emphasis.
Officiant:
You dismiss this monumental achievement with "did her thing." |
This is an example of your lies, Officiant. I didn't dismiss her at all. And I'm tired of your quote mining in order to change the meaning of what I actually stated. Of course, you do that to everyone who posts here. But enough is enough.
Officiant:
Your agnostic hero Huxley supported the reading of the Bible in schools. Please address that fact. |
I have, with a quote and a link that showed the context and the extent of his biblical support. That you choose to ignore all that he did to advance secularism is mind numbingly stupid. And that's why there is no reason for me to go on with this. Just the fact that you can ask me to address something I addressed only two posts back means you can't or you won't even try to understand what is being said to you. Either way, I don't care anymore. This is an exercise in futility. And as I said in my last post, it's a good thing most atheists aren't like you.
I pretty much summed up how worthwhile debating with you is in my last post. Not very...
I'm done with you.
Have a nice life.
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/31/2011 : 20:56:10 [Permalink]
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Dear Kil, So sorry to see you go. I was having a nice time winning this argument. There is no way you or anyone secular on the planet could rationalize Thomas Huxley, the inventor of agnosticism, supporting the reading of the Bible in schools. Another good example of how agnosticism enables religion and faith. So it is perfectly understandable that you should retire and leave the arena before you lose your dignity. You tell me I'm an idiot deserving of ridicule, I pick on things that must be stupid because you are flummoxed for a reply. That would a good example of an Ad Hominem Abuse.A personal attack...a person substitutes abusive remarks for evidence when attacking another person's claim. I think we both learned some things here and I hope you will go away, lick your wounds and then return.
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Fripp
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 05:16:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
I was having a nice time winning this argument
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Empty bluster. You've got it wrong anyway. I'm winning this argument. Do you know why? Because I said so...
Meanwhile, I notice that you have yet to answer or support even one of your claims. Feel free to "kick the shit" out of that list at any time. |
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"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 06:39:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
That would a good example of an Ad Hominem Abuse.A personal attack...a person substitutes abusive remarks for evidence when attacking another person's claim. |
You know what a really good example of that is? Obsessively reminding people of Huxley's alleged racism and/or chauvinism. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 07:15:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Fripp
Originally posted by Officiant
I was having a nice time winning this argument
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Empty bluster. You've got it wrong anyway. I'm winning this argument. Do you know why? Because I said so...
Meanwhile, I notice that you have yet to answer or support even one of your claims. Feel free to "kick the shit" out of that list at any time.
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Must be the Charlie Sheen version of winning. |
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 08:09:44 [Permalink]
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Dear Fripp, Dave W.,Valiant Dancer, Now that Kil has avoided answering by withdrawing would you apply your fine intellects to answer and rationalize Thomas Huxley, the inventor of agnosticism, supporting the reading of the Bible in schools. As an atheist I think it is indefensible because as I previously posted on page 17 www.EvilBible.com makes it abundantly clear the Christian Bible
is not a good source of 'significant moral teachings'. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 08:25:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dear Fripp, Dave W.,Valiant Dancer, Now that Kil has avoided answering... |
Says the hypocritical liar. Where is your evidence that "Agnostic atheists are cowardly pseudo-intellectual dilettantes?"| ...by withdrawing would you apply your fine intellects to answer and rationalize Thomas Huxley, the inventor of agnosticism, supporting the reading of the Bible in schools. As an atheist I think it is indefensible because as I previously posted on page 17 www.EvilBible.com makes it abundantly clear the Christian Bible is not a good source of 'significant moral teachings'. |
Unsupported assertion, again. I can't find any page numbers on that web site. |
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Hal
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 08:31:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dear Fripp, Dave W.,Valiant Dancer, Now that Kil has avoided answering by withdrawing would you apply your fine intellects to answer and rationalize Thomas Huxley, the inventor of agnosticism, supporting the reading of the Bible in schools. As an atheist I think it is indefensible because as I previously posted on page 17 www.EvilBible.com makes it abundantly clear the Christian Bible
is not a good source of 'significant moral teachings'.
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Hell, I consider myself an atheist (although I admit I haven't been board-certified as a level 7, whatever that is), and I sent all my kids to catholic schools during the week, and church on Sunday with their family. They seem ok to me -- intelligent, articulate, compassionate, decent character, etc. I can't account for how they've managed to avoid, so far, the urge to kill infidels and enslave their enemies, given the brutal, biblical indoctrination they've all endured. You'd think at least that the two professed agnostics in my brood would be out torching mosques, or something.
I'm really puzzled by this now, as your devastatingly precise argument has me utterly convinced that my kids should all be sociopaths. It's almost as if the whole issue is more nuanced than we know.
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 08:50:56 [Permalink]
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| Dear Dude, You make a claim. You provide the evidence. Your evidence will predicate the method. I did notice that on page 13 you said, " a reality I can detect" but above this changed to, "I can't detect." Was that a Freudian slip or a a change in position? I would also like to remind you that there are meaningless questions. What is the meaning of life is one of them. |
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 09:04:14 [Permalink]
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| Dear marfknox, Regarding Madalyn Murray O'Hair from Wikipedia. She is best known for the Murray v. Curlett lawsuit, which led to a landmark Supreme Court ruling ending government-sponsored prayer in American public schools. A Supreme Court ruling is not small potatoes. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 09:19:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
She is best known for the Murray v. Curlett lawsuit, which led to a landmark Supreme Court ruling ending government-sponsored prayer in American public schools. A Supreme Court ruling is not small potatoes. |
Engel v. Vitale was actually the "landmark" case. Abington School District v. Schempp (which was consolidated with Murray v. Curlett) was basically a repeat of Engel a year later. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 09:20:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
You make a claim. You provide the evidence. |
So where is your evidence that "Agnostic atheists are cowardly pseudo-intellectual dilettantes?" |
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